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Arthur Applecart 18/07/10 09:07 PM Report Abuse

And where exactly WOULD it be possible to turn boats back? You stipulate three conditions: boat must be seawaorthy, must have support of country from which they sailed, must have assurance that country won't send them back to country from which they are fleeing.

You must know it would be almost impossible to fulfil those three conditions. Your statement that you would turn boats back is simply an election slogan with no substance, just an attenmpt to look tougher than the other party.

Kate Lee 18/07/10 09:47 PM Report Abuse

I am sick of scare mongering techniques by all parties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People who arrive by boat make up less than 5% of all unauthorised entry into Australia....
So rather than focusing on "stopping the boats" what are you doing about stopping the 95% of illegal immigrants in Australia who come by PLANE and over stay their tourist or other visa!!!!!!

Bellie 20/07/10 11:29 PM Report Abuse

The boats need to be stoped altogether, the boat people come here get tax payers money handed to them on a platter and first priority to health care, why wouldnt they come here. The men are mostly of fighting age so while our soldiers are over protecting, fighting and dying for their freedom in their countries they are fleeing to Australia with their hands out for tax payer benefits. The boats need to be stopped altogether, treat the boats as terrorists and make it clear that their boats will be sunk by our defence forces, I am sure it would only take one boat to test the policy and I dont think we would have any further problems with illegal immigrants.

Fabian 22/07/10 09:17 AM Report Abuse

You can't stop boats coming to Australia because they leave from another country. The country that illegal refugees originate from must do something to stop boats from coming to Australia. However, Australia needs to stop them from arriving on the mainland and when they are caught sent to a (UN) refugee camp immediately. Sending illegals to refugee camps is part of the Family First policy on illegals, I must add because i don't like how FF 1st introduced their own laws on plain smoking packaging last year then labor introduces their own laws this year (election year), which are passed. Personally, I see that labor stole FF's idea. Do Labor steals other parties ideas now? Why didn't they pass it last year (non-election year)?

Jennifer Goh 23/07/10 02:12 PM Report Abuse

I became a new citizen after working in Australia as a PR for 5 years. I will gladly welcome anyone who arrives through legal means, not going through the back door.

This idea of off-shore processing centres is not in any sense more superior. Ultimately, Australia would be milked dry by countries 'offering to help' us. Australian taxpayers, again, are the ones footing the bill.

I have spoken to a few Australian-borns and they are all for sending them back to where they came from ... even if by plane. Just use an army C-130 and send them back by the plane loads.

Thus, I support the idea of sending them to refugee camps. There is no room for compassion as far as border security is concerned.

I am not voting for Labor who failed big time but neither has the Liberals got the guts to do the right thing, as far as I see.

Rejapo 24/07/10 12:01 AM Report Abuse

hey guys i agree, the coalition will deliver wat is needed for aus and teh future!!!1

albertokang 25/07/10 10:40 AM Report Abuse

Turning the Boats back hey?

What sort of Australia do you want?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/34792226/What-Sort-of-Australia-Do-You-Want

WiseGrifin 25/07/10 09:09 PM Report Abuse

Australian’s are compassionate and should not confuse illegal boat people with our responsibility to accept refugees on humanitarian grounds. We should increase the current very small level by 10%. We should also accept families in preference to single people and those that have been in refugee camps the longest. People arriving illegally should have to wait their turn and not be considered while there are families that have been waiting long in UN camps

Kaz 27/07/10 11:09 AM Report Abuse

No Government will be able to "Stop the Boats" and no Government will be able to turn them back once they are here (nor should they always do so). We are a compassionate country and should accept those real refugees who have no means to come here legally anyhow.

As said by others, most illegal immigrants come by plane this whole issue has been overstated by the media. We accept the fewest immigrants than any Western Country.

Yes it may take tax payers money to help set up refugees - but it also takes a hell of a lot of tax payers money to support criminals in jails who also get health care and education opportunities - but once they return to society they are far less likely to become contributing members, do we complain about that? (not saying that I do not support attempting to reform criminals either - just making a point).

We are Country built on immigration and should accept it where its due.

Further people fail to realise Australia needs immigration - our current birth rate is insufficient to effectively support our growing population as they come into their pensioner years.

In saying all that - I do support offshore processssing. But hey, won't this cost tax payers money too?

Loris Hemlof 01/08/10 03:11 PM Report Abuse

We could do more good giving aid to them in their home country. Being generous we should offer them 5 years training before having to go home and work for own freedoms our soldiers have had to protected their freedoms. We have given good citizens school, welfare and housing money to them.

Loris Hemlof 01/08/10 05:23 PM Report Abuse

Most refugees do not deserve our hospitality, let them earn citizenship.

anniebello 02/08/10 12:12 AM Report Abuse

Send them back to the UN refugee camp nearest their country of origin immediately they get off the boats. Get an equal number of refugees from that camp who have applied to come to Australia through the correct channels/been processed by the UN etc and bring them back to Australia on the same plane. We can still take our quota of refugees but slam the door on these illegal queue jumpers.

may puttock 02/08/10 09:30 AM Report Abuse

This comment does not strictly speaking, belong here, but you don't have a general comments section:

Kevin Rudd is an honourable man !

I wish Kevin Rudd a speedy recovery, but one must deal with facts in a timely manner and clearly, the form of words, uttered by Wayne Swan, Julia Gillard and Tanya Plibersek this week are a reference to the Mark Anthony speech in Julius Caesar. Brutus has been persuaded by the more malevolent conspirators lead by Cassius, to be the one to knife Caesar.

Mark Antony:
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him;
The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones,
So let it be with Caesar ... The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answered it ...
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest,
(For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all; all honourable men)
Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral ...
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man…

The brilliance of the speech is that Mark Antony is both able to express his grief while confronting a crowd that is against him and on the side of the conspirators who killed Caesar. I personally detect in this that some people are positioning themselves if Kevin Rudd is able to make a return.

In literature we see the basic plot line of the innocent victim being
wrongfully harmed and eventually, often with considerable effort and ingenuity, either the victim himself or some third party finally succeed in punishing the perpetrator. This is a plot device used by Shakespeare frequently showing how the victim becomes perpetrator in an endless cycle of violence.

It is the theme of just war theory, and the psychology of revenge that, “hurt people, hurt people”.

Loris Hemlof 02/08/10 09:45 AM Report Abuse

The baby boomers have doled out their welfare and housing allocation to black refugees, so the baby boomers should be sent to live in a black refugee camp in their old age to pay for their largess.

CC 02/08/10 06:04 PM Report Abuse

Someone has to manage the process and be strong.

If we have to abide by the Flotsam and Jetsam approach to accept everything that floats up to Christmas Island then we are to turning into the Beachcombers of the World, accepting the word of everything that turns up, accepting into our society to create the basis of the future built on lies and deceit. Heaven help the Utopia as it is brought down to their levels.

We cannot allow those who don’t really want to be here, and fully integrate, destroy the fabric of this emerging nation – Australia. We cannot forget terrorists acts of 9/11, Bali and others either.

may puttock 02/08/10 07:47 PM Report Abuse

Asylum Seeker Issue:
The Four Corners program, Monday 2 August, 2010, at 8.30 pm highlights that people smuggling has once again become big business in Indonesia with corruption at all levels of the Indonesian Government criminals facilitating the people smuggling business. I think this timely program will show that siting a UNHCR hub in East Timor will be a disaster for the region. The UNHCR has currently given approval to two Iraqui People smugglers to be accepted by Australia. They are just waiting in Indonesia for resettlement.
The development of the East Timor solution would make East Timor a magnet in the region for economic refugees and take all decision making out of Australia’s hands and give it to the UNHCR. It would further promote the corruption that Sarah Ferguson has uncovered.
Please refer to this article in the West Australian Newspaper:
Labor and Liberals in same boat on asylum
By Andrew Probyn
July 30th, 2010, 12:41 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/theburningissue/post/1272/comment/1

Four Corners
Smugglers' Paradise

8:30pm Monday, August 02 2010

Sarah Ferguson reports on Australia's border security, and exposes corruption inside Indonesia's immigration system.
Repeats of this program
• 11:40pm Tue, August 03 on ABC1
• 10:00pm Fri, August 06 on ABC News 24
• 2:00pm Sat, August 07 on ABC News 24
Also available on iView for four weeks at abc.net.au/iview

David Kelly 03/08/10 07:00 PM Report Abuse

As a staunch Liberal Party supporter and voter for over 40 years i hope somebody has brought this up before - we need a kick in the guts to the labour party - is it possible to have as part of our election speil a timeframe to bring our troops back from Afghanistan - it doesn't have to be soon but it is a vote catcher. Can't a date be bandied around - it can be adjusted up or down at a later date. We need to kick out the ALP. Tony lived next door to my late brother in law at Forestville [ I know he is the man for the job]

Dave Kelly [ a loyal subject]

Andrew 05/08/10 09:48 PM Report Abuse

when are you going to stop this fear mongering for political gain. There is no such thing as an 'illegal" refugee. If there is explain to me what a legal refugee is?

Victims of hate crime 07/08/10 03:36 PM Report Abuse

What can the Liberal's do to stop hate crimes in Australia? Can they make a law to stop White Power types before they become national problem? Can they put these jokers who hide behind the white struggle political banner (possible with arm struggle-Racial Holy War-this is what people like Dr.Jim Saleam is teaching young kids on www.stormfront.org) in some sort of terrorist list.
I’m speaking on behalf of hate crime victims of all color and sexual lifestyle in Australia. Go on Mr.T.A...
Stop the boats...i agree...but keep the ones that been here for generations safe...Fair Dinkum deal!

Loris Hemlof 08/08/10 12:26 PM Report Abuse

blacks are 10x more likely to commit race hate violent crimes than whites. (Crime statistics)

Chris 08/08/10 05:16 PM Report Abuse

Everyone that enters Australia Ilegally should be consider a crimnal and returned to the country they've come from. We have no idea who they are, what background they have, wether they have a criminal background and most of which won't contribute to Australia but force their own beliefs on us. 52.3% are unemployed! (immi 09)

Australia does not have the infrestructure to allow this much unskilled labour into this country. They can help themselves by; learning english, finding a profession or skill and entering the country on legal grounds. It's not as hard as they make out to do things by the books.

Kevin C 08/08/10 08:59 PM Report Abuse

By maintaining this polcy Mr Abbot you have just lost my vote. I agreed with everything else you said but this tells me so much about you and how low you are prepared go to grab power. It scares me to think what else you are capable of.....

I would remind you that the measure of humanity is how it treats its most vulnerable.

James 10/08/10 02:52 PM Report Abuse

Loris you are an absloute idiot and i am ashamed that you are living in the same country as me. I would have voted for liberal were it not for there ridiculous and racist stance on refugees. Please reconsider your policy. I am sick of feeling ashamed to be an Australian.

Loris Hemlof 10/08/10 06:05 PM Report Abuse

James you are a confused sick man, but as a white man i have pity on you, get well please and stand up for your good white heritage.

Jason Nohra 11/08/10 07:42 AM Report Abuse

I think that people are not seeing the bigger issue here!!!! People who breach our borders have not been medically screened. God forbid a rare form of malaria makes its way to Australia (an island) from Indonesia, and compromise the health and safety of millions of Australian men, women and children. I have no problem in upsetting thousands whilst potentially protecting millions of Australians. Immigration processing should be all offshore - in my opinion!!

Stu Goldfinch 11/08/10 09:33 AM Report Abuse

MLet's cut to the chase and put out there what most Australians want to say.... Whilst assylum seekers may have genuine concern or needs, which shouldnt be ignored, the mere fact that they destroy identity documents, bypass the immigration system, and pay a foreign criminal to transport them to our shores implicates them in the conduct of the crime of human trafficking. The very second that the assylum seeker exchanges money for passage to Australia they have willingly and knowingly entered into an arrangement to attempt to contravene our laws and thus enter Australia illegally. As such, this should automatically make null and void ANY application for assylum/residency in Australia, now and at any time in the future. Those who do make it to our shores should not be detained for long periods, rather only long enough so as to wait for a flight returning them to their country of origin - deportating them as we would with any other foreigner who conducts a criminal act on Australian Sovereign Territory.
I acknowledge that there are those with genuine needs, for these people perhaps an off-shore processing centre, in Jakarta for example, where applications for assylum would be processed and those granted a tempoary visa would board a Government provided flight to Australia for government sanctioned integration into our community. All boat people part with most if not all of their life savings to pay for transport to Australia on in most instances, a floating death trap. By the Australian government facilitating safe, fast transport to our shores has its merits. Such an approach would solve several issues:
1. The threat of deportation to country of origin would be a significant deterent
2. Deportation is considerably less expensive than detaining individuals for excessive periods of time
3. Off-shore processing provides an alternative point for genuine seekers to gain assistance
4. Partnership with Indonesia as an example, would potentially provide employment (under our administration) for their nationals thus strengthening our relationship, and
5. Through the Australian Government providing transportation to our shores for appropriately vetted assylum seekers would further restrict smuggling opportunities and would see a decline in the human trafficking trade.
6. The Australian Government would provide flights to our shores at a significantly less cost than what assylum seekers would have otherwise be subjected to through the illegal methods, again further reducing the viability of the human trade.
Perhaps I am wrong, but has this approach been considered??essage

Stu Goldfinch 11/08/10 09:41 AM Report Abuse

Andrew, in your entry on 5 August I believe you are confused. You arre right in one regard, there is no such thing as either a 'legal refugee or an illegal refugee", BUT there are 'illegal immigrants; who come here with the prospect of seeking refugee status whether they arrive by boat, plane swim, walk, teleportation whatever...unless they follow the processes in place, they are ILLEGAL.

NessB 11/08/10 07:20 PM Report Abuse

Right first, to answer the question I keep seeing.... an illegal refugee is one who is not really a refugee under UNHCR criteria, and many have pretended they are and been recognised. THAT is illegal and escaping financial hardship is NOT a refugee criteria. So, stop being so pedantic and think about what people are trying to express. Wanting security and to know who is coming in is NOT racist, it just means we care about the country and maintaining our way of life.
I am concerned about our borders (not from boat people alone) I just think we need more control on processing those claiming refugee status to find if they are genuine or not. If their not, bye.... if you are, please let us welcome you BUT I am sick of people of any ethnicity/background coming here and not learning english, not learning customs and culture, law and common courtesy!! I think we also need to provide compulsory training programs for people coming here by any method, to learn the way of life in Oz.

Stu 12/08/10 08:37 AM Report Abuse

I am not being pedantic - refugees can only be called so once they have been processed and recognised/accepted as such, and not before. As somebody who has been out there patrolling our borders and enforcing our laws, the terminology used makes a huge difference in the application of law and the powers afforded to those of us entrusted to protect our borders . To disregard or misuse the terminology makes our work that much harder, even to the point of no avail. Maybe a small or pedantic point to you, but very important to me as I'm crawling all over these boats.

Bernard Stewart 17/08/10 01:12 PM Report Abuse

My great, great, great, grand parents came to Australia from Ireland on a boat. Am I a boat person?

Scott Buchanan 20/08/10 12:23 AM Report Abuse

I'm not really sure if Loris Hemlof is serious. All migrants having to maintain a high standard of living for 15 years? What if a recession hits the country, and a migrant family loses its home? What if it is wiped out by a bushfire? What if the father (for example) develops cancer, and the family has to sink all its savings into his treatment? Of course, these are all hypothetical situations, but if any of them befell a migrant family, it would be very difficult to maintain a high living standard.
And if refugees are solely the responsibility of the UN, then where should the UN put them? Should they be left to an existence in a refugee camp that is "nasty, brutish and short", the modern-day equivalent of a Hobbesian state of nature? It's a miserable environment, one that I wold not wish on anyone.

In any case, I do support a strong national border protection policy. I think it a sound move to ensure the integrity of our borders. And I see no problem with mandatory detention. Again, it is simply common sense to detain asylum seekers in order to ascertain their identities (especially if they have destroyed their documentation). However, my support comes with a number of caveats. First, the length of time it takes to process an asylum seeker's claim should be as short as possible. It should also have a fixed end-point. I am certainly not suggesting that Australian authorities adhere to the unrealistic suggestion the Greens put forth of having claims processed in 14 days. However, setting limits on the length of time it takes to process an individual's claims is a simple matter of just processing. Indeed, it has been shown that the long waits in detention - with no apparent relief - have had a deleterious impact on detainees. Second (and following on from the first point), conditions in detention centres ought to be adequate enough for detainees to maintain a comfortable existence during their time there. Again, I am not arguing that we prepare the off-shore equivalent of the Four Seasons for unlawful boat arrivals, but as with open-ended periods of time spent in detention, inadequate conditions seem to have had a negative impact on the health of some detainees. I think common human deceny would suggest that this is unacceptable.

Loris Hemlof 20/08/10 08:37 AM Report Abuse

A refugee camp is the African equivalent of a dole office, I don't think we should give Africa's dole bludgers our kids welfare while we have made oz kids homeless and let them be bashed by these black thugs as i was. At least require that they get sterilized to get aid in own country.

Laleen Nixon 03/09/10 05:02 PM Report Abuse

'Given Afghanistan and Pakistan's problems with Islamism, it is reasonable to ask questions about more than just an engineering degree.

How much schooling in madrassas has he had?
How loyal is he to the creed of martyrdom?
Is he willing to reject the political and social dimensions of Islam?
Is he willing to learn the language, values, customs and convictions ( in short the Australian way of life?)
Will he promise to abide by the law - Australian law, not sharia?

The world has changed - and Australia's immigration policy must change with it. Culturally incompatible Muslims could threaten Australian society and values. Maintaining social cohesion is paramount.
'The Weekend Australian, August 2-8, 2010

Australian 10/09/10 06:37 AM Report Abuse

Everyone seems to think that seeking asylum in Australia this great fun time which is so easy. Detention can last 5 years, anyone here want to put their hands up for 5 years detention? The only difference between us and a so-called 'boat person' is that we were lucky enough to be born into safety.

Actually do some reading, immigrants arent allowed to enter the country unless they pass a health test (information from department of immigration fact sheets).

Loris - so if they are christian then they are welcome into our country?

No wonder Liberal got so many votes, way too many rednecks out there who have clearly never read a book i their lives. The whole 3 word grab is only substantive enough for some of the types of people we are reading from on this page.

Max 19/09/10 08:30 PM Report Abuse

When making a decision on issues of immigration and border security; we must consider where the obligations of the Australian Government lies and that is not to any Boatloads of Foreigners; it is to the Australian people and to encouraging high standards of living. It is a mere fact that allowing assylum seekers and refugees into Australia creates strains on our welfare system and our culture and results in the standards of living in Australia going down; therefore, it is not in Australia's national interest to accept them; it is instead in the interest of foreigners and it also is not in the national interest to have a immigration policy supporting multiculturalism for the same reasons based upon the fact that Australia is not a charity that has any obligation to fix the rest of the worlds problems and Australia also doesn't have the capacity.

Nathan 24/09/10 07:55 PM Report Abuse

So you support the war in Afghanistan, but won't help the Afghan refugees that come to our Australia, escaping persecution and torture?

It is NOT illegal to seek asylum. According to the 1951 Refugee Convention which Australia has signed, all people have the right to seek asylum in Australia. It is not illegal under either Australian or international law to come to Australia without a visa if you are seeking asylum. Your status as a refugee has nothing to do with your means of getting to Australia. This means that people who seek asylum are not breaking any laws, even if they don’t have a visa to enter Australia. Article 14 of the UDHR states, “Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.”

The hypocrisy is unbelievable. 'Boat people' have come to Australia for over 40,000 years. They do not threaten us - especially if every asylum seeker that arrives by boat is put in mandatory detention (Australia is the only country to do so). And furthermore, they undergo security checks by ASIO.

Currently asylum seekers represent 3% of the migration, and less than 1% of the population. Put this in perspective. There is no real crisis. Neither party is doing anything to help the situation.

Loris Hemlof 25/09/10 06:16 AM Report Abuse

Refugee advocates presume Australians have no choice as to who moves in to our houses. Refugees covert our houses, our welfare, and our women. Our sovereign constitutions external affairs and treachery powers guarantee Australian's right to choose who comes to Australia. That known I do support temporary protection visa and mandatory detention of welfare reliant refugees. Common decency on our part should not be taken as a license for freedom of welfare dependent refugees to pillage our country the way they and their relatives have laid waste to their own country of ancestry. Refugees hold responsibility to make decent their own region of ancestry, if necessary by armed conflict. The United Nations should help them to do that. Anything less is have taken the death of our troops for granted.

Loris Hemlof 26/09/10 10:12 PM Report Abuse

I call for a worldwide social security system run by the U.N. Paid for with a 50% tax on other currency exodus to raise 3 trillion per year. Recipients would be required to get microchip implant bank account and undergo permanent contraception by injection in exchange for $2 per day.

Loris Hemlof 04/10/10 09:10 PM Report Abuse

If refugees think detention accommodation, entertainment, healthcare, and 3 solid meals a day gives refugees mental health problems, homeless starving neglected abused bashed Australians would gladly take their place.

Loris Hemlof 16/10/10 03:48 AM Report Abuse

I would support the establishment of United Nations refugee protection centers in the regions from which refugees originate. We could then repatriate genuine refugees from Australian refugee detention centers to refugee protection centers. Living standards in refugee protection centers should be similar to surrounding communities to avoid attracting economic refugees and to ensure economic justice to peoples with collective propensities for backwardness and poverty. Letting these refugees spoil our hard earned wealth and peace is not the answer.

Sarah Charters 19/10/10 11:03 AM Report Abuse

Bellie 20/07/10 11:29 PM- FINALLY SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN!!!!

Loris Hemlof 19/10/10 05:54 PM Report Abuse

The ultimate result of the modern trend of accommodating evil and abusing goodness is the September 11 destruction of the world trade centers. We should be applying the death penalty after 10 years detention for black Muslim refugees who refuse fight for peace in their homeland and would rather do us evil in their covet of our houses, peace, and welfare. Mandatory detention is seen as the cure for white mentally ill, but when it comes to black Muslims mandatory detention is seen as the cause. Every black Muslim granted our welfare and housing is another white citizen abused, homeless, and hungry in this time of extremely limited supply of housing and compassion for white citizens. I hope neglected unrepresented white Australian citizens explode in anger and restore justice by lynching our tyrannical ignorant rulers.

kel 20/10/10 09:36 AM Report Abuse

We must make a harsh stand against all of the people running away from problems at home. Stay and use the money you would pay the people to bring you here . Use $$ too help fix the problems you are running away from surely if you can put your heads and money together to and get on a boat , so why not give your family and country a better solution. You can make a difference and fix the problems in your own country soon there will be no where too run too. As the problems will eventually follow you. Surely it is better too help the country you have lived in and your families have lived in for years then run away from it all.

LiberalComplete 22/10/10 09:34 PM Report Abuse

The Canadian government has introduced tough new legislation aimed at curbing people smuggling.

More than 500 Tamil asylum seekers have arrived off the Canadian coast in recent months.

The new law includes mandatory jail sentences for people smugglers and it will also make it easier to prosecute them.

Ship owners and operators found guilty of people smuggling will be slapped with jail sentences that escalate if they are working with or for a criminal organisation.

Other deterrents include reassessing migrants within five years to determine if they still need protection.

During that period those individuals would not be able to sponsor family members who wish to come to Canada.

Additionally, migrants who visit their home countries during that five-year period will be barred from returning to Canada.

Those that are turned down will have to appeal to a federal court, but they will not necessarily be able to stay in Canada during that process.

Loris Hemlof 27/10/10 03:41 PM Report Abuse

We could double the number of hospital and aged care beds for good citizens for the cost of housing and welfare for asylum seekers.

Loris Hemlof 27/10/10 04:31 PM Report Abuse

Australian citizenship should be earned and paid for we should not pay refugees for the aspiration of being made a human refuse dumping ground. The Australian government have bastardized our good fair children in the pursuit of their ideal citizen,- the black aids infecting street thug. Representative democracy has become a tyranny of rights for criminal racial classes. Championed by the ABC in justification of the reverse discrimination model of welfare represented by their own existence. We need direct democracy and corporate sponsorship of a free media and direct democracy to smash the lie of equality of racial merit for a future of white pride world wide and to bring about protection of good and the genocidal extinction of the evil dark races though family planning sterilization for aid or death through the agony of starvation in the region of racial ancestry.

Loris Hemlof 27/10/10 08:42 PM Report Abuse

Xenophobia is where representatives are afraid to speak up against ethnic black thuggery. It is xenophobic to appease murderers and bashers of peaceful direct democracy as has occurred on several occasions in the Netherlands and has occurred to me. It is not fear of foreigners but courageous to repel invaders who have spoiled our peace and freedoms. To frame patriots as having had a fear of foreigners has been an attempt to weaken our resolve. To describe speaking up against black racial special privileges such as black affirmative action, welfare, flag and culture as evil racism is an example of blind hypocrisy, we may be racist but in favor of good races, not as blacks would have which is racism in favor of races with evil backward propensities. It is the job of democrats to express positions which have been illegal otherwise we would have been banned from having reform, because all laws were once illegal. True democracy requires freedom of speech. Black brutal oppressive violence should not be appeased.

Stop the boats 28/10/10 12:21 PM Report Abuse

Labour has backed away from every election promise they made, signed up with the Greens who are now governing our country. The Greens and this Sarah Hanson Young want no detention centres, welcome them all and place them in with the community with free housing, health, water, electricity, welfare payments, more than our pensioners and disability pensions. These people are illegal criminals who pay crime syndicates $10,000 to get them out here illegally and for their troubles are rewarded with all of they above. These illegals are encouraged to come out here. Give our houses to the Aussie homeless, look after our own, not illegal cue jumpers. All of these young Afghanistan men should be fighting for their country. Who pays for their pensions, do they have superannuation, no the Government will put up our retirement age to pay for them while they bleed our welfare system dry. These illegals have more benefits and rights than Australians, we will become a muslim country. STOP THE BOATS. For those of you who voted for Labour and the Greens have a good look at what is happening, we will all pay dearly for this, 3 years in a very leaky boat

Mervyn Jacobi 30/10/10 11:46 AM Report Abuse

Let's have a fair trade, we will send all of our existing and past politicians to the countries where these boat people are comming from, and I bet that the people in power in these countries, would very quickly ban the boat people on the condition that those politicians were stopped from destroying the countries they were sent to, We put up with them here, but they would not be tolerated in any other country, we are too forgiving and good natured.

Mervyn Jacobi 02/11/10 08:21 AM Report Abuse

Everybody who is not a migrant or whose ancestors are not a migrant or refugee, should wonder why this migration took place, The Irish came here because of a potato famine, the English originally came because they were brought as prisioners who stole a loaf of bread or something so important, so why are these boat people braving the seas in their unsafe boats to live with a gang of hostile unpleasant people, they must have a good excuse, Our country may have been worth living in once, but it has been destroyed by those "responsible, dedicated" persons who handle the money or control of it, and have made Australia the 3rd world country it is now. Our Boat people can do no more harm than our run of politicans have done, believe me.

Nathan 02/11/10 12:59 PM Report Abuse

Australia a third world country? Hardly...

GDP per capita world average = $10,000. Australia's is $32,900, ahead of Germany, the UK, and Italy. We have a democracy for one thing, are technologically advanced and the standard of living is high on a global scale. According to the United Nations we certainly are a developed country with economic systems based on continuous, self-sustaining economic growth in the tertiary sector of industry. Asylum seekers are hardly threatening...

Everyone's ancestors is a migrant. This country wasn't settled until 1788. How did they get here? BY BOAT! Aborigines have been here for over 40,000 years and they presumable came by boat too...

Why does everyone think that all asylum seekers are trying to get to Australia? We accept 0.3% of the world's asylum seekers... 90% come by plane. It's been happening since Malcolm Fraser (who was a liberal) allowed asylum seekers to enter Australia and for years before that too. There is no crisis and no threat!

Loris Hemlof 04/11/10 12:05 AM Report Abuse

The thing about the Gillard governments version of equality, is that the worlds refugees get equal access to welfare, housing, dental and medical care, working Australians do not get equal free access. Under the Gillard version of equality, working Australians are sent the bill. For the cost of Australia managing the waiting list and equality of access for the worlds refugees and other self inflicted [$60b]; every Australian could be paid $3,000 in medical vouchers to be used to purchase private health insurance or direct purchase of private dental or medical services. The argument that we should allow refugees in because refugees make up less than 5% of the population, is a bit like the Gillard governments argument that we should spend beyond our means because we have savings from the previous government. Each action should be judged on its own long term merits and not justify bad decisions today by the general good position we have today because of long term savings and selective immigration of previous governments. Decisions made today would accumulate over 200 years to have real consequences. I want black refugees executed after 10 years of rejection of repatriation as a deterrent. Looking after refugees in their region of ancestry should be done by the United Nations not be done in a way Australia is spoiled and made a third world slum after the next 200 years of having had increasing refugee resettlement. Migrants should have to pay $50 per day to reside in Australia, or commission the construction of a good new dwelling to gain Australian citizenship.

Helen Derrick 11/11/10 11:32 PM Report Abuse

Here's the issue for the Opposition's 'no confidence' vote in the next sitting of Parliament. The folly of The High Court decision on allowing asylum seekers access to lawyers who will prolong the agony of appeals interminably ,whilst Australian taxpayers subsidise the Government'must surely polarise the electorate.

Time to line up the Independents and the Greens who will now be called on to provide a rationale for endorsing this lamentable legal decision.
I hope this decision enrages the electorate and brings down this sham of a Government!

Loris Hemlof 12/11/10 07:23 AM Report Abuse

High Court Wrong:
I believe the High Courts decision to outlaw termination of recourse to the courts for refugees is unconstitutional and can only be justified by international U.N. law. The constitution allows the parliament to make laws as to the judicial process, the influx of criminals, immigration, racial rights, and external affairs and prohibits allegiance to a foreign power such as the U.N. The High Court must enforce the Australian constitution and must not enforce U.N. mandates. If we heed this unconstitutional judgment our own national democratic constitution has died. Elect judges.

Mervyn Jacobi 14/11/10 05:09 PM Report Abuse

Talking about Lawyers, are you talking about the same Lawyers who have been hijacking the political parties, hijacking the positions in cabinet and hijacking our economy, because it is the decisions of the treasurers who decide whether the tax is high to deter those obscene salaries and other incomes or whether to have a low top tax and allow higher salaries, higher prices of goods and services and of course a recession of like the US, a depression with millions out of work. There are too many Lawyers in our country whose ability is very questioable, and I wouldn't consider them to be acceptable when you look at their decisions in government.

Mervyn Jacobi 14/11/10 05:28 PM Report Abuse

A 3rd world country, exports all its valuable assets and buys in the manufactured goods it needs,if they can afford them and this leaves many of the workers without a job, or like it is now, the companies supplies them with 2 or 3 days work a week, and this has been counted as not unemployed even though they are really unemployed for 2 or 3 days every week. Sure there are millionaires and multi-millionaires, but there are hundreds loseing their homes every month. When these Imitation of politicians can grow a brain and raise the economy out of the gutter, I would contend that we are no longer a 3 rd world country. When our workers are treated as good as our politicians treat themselves, I would say we are well on the way to be a prosperous country, the onus is on the politicans.

Mervyn Jacobi 30/11/10 02:44 PM Report Abuse

When anyone goes to join a political party today, they have to sign a form “I promise to agree with the decisions of the majority”. No business of “I promise to obey the principles contained in the constitution of the party”, or any other demand to show that the applicants will have the required integrity, intelligence and allegiance to Australia, because all the decisions that have been made over the last 40 years, have been destructive to our economy, irrespective of whether the Labor Party or the Liberal Party is in power, and it is noticeable that almost all of the Prime Ministers and Treasurers have been Lawyers. It is unbelievable that any person with any intelligence can be so stupid and devoid of integrity as to drive our economy down to the depths that has happened so often over the last 40 years, and that includes John Howard, Peter Costello as well as those Labor misfits who have been only part of the party who have destroyed our economy.

Mervyn Jacobi 02/12/10 09:15 AM Report Abuse

The Liberal Party, like the Labor party, do not have either the intelligence, integrity or the courage to enforce the laws in place now, to even regain our economy, let alone enforce our security. Our economy relies on a number of things, Look at the facts:-
(1) The control on the prevention of obscene salaries and other incomes which adversely affect the costs of goods and services. - The responsible of the Government and its treasurer.
(2) Imports and exports - we are exporting - and over exporting non value added, non renewable resources, and allowing our large companies to import manufactured goods that our own factories had been manufacturing (before they were destroyed by the big companies buying only imported cheap goods). The responsible of our elected government.
(3) The News media must be responsible in its reporting for our economies sake, They are just another big company more concerned with their own increasing wealth, They are a foreign company from the US, just here to gouge wealth out of our country like they do in their own country.
These problems have been carried on for at least forty years, and have involved too many governments consisting of mainly Liberal/National and Labor parties, and they have failed. We need more than just a change of government, we need a change in the requirements of persons allowed to nominate for the position to be in Government.e any law to ensure prosperity and security here in Australia,

Mervyn Jacobi 08/12/10 05:29 AM Report Abuse

As far as I am aware, most of the countries claim democratic government – Government by the people for the people. These governments pass laws in contempt of the rights and welfare of many of the people, and want to conceal many from legitimate scrutiny. Concealing the reasons why these laws are made is really a crime against the people, and the people in the governments and others of powerful status who become frantic when despicable acts of parliament or of those powerful allies are brought to light. Sure, we have seen that Kennedy, ex President assassinated and more of them for various reasons, but surely, when someone brings out lots of information that we have every right to know, he should be protected, not conjured out of sight and hearing, we do have corrupt people in parliament, and in congress, Well, stupid anyway. “60 minutes in 2004, of George Bushes attack on Afghanistan” on the internet, should convince you of that – unless you belong to a political party, then you will only believe what your party tells you.

Mervyn Jacobi 11/12/10 11:37 AM Report Abuse

We would be doing a much better case for our country if we prevented those people who - to join “their party”, sign a form that they will “agree with the decisions of the majority of the party”, showing they have no integrity, and not to much intelligence. The parties have their own constitution, don't abide with it, don't use it, and don't have enough integrity to demand new members obey this constitution. This is a test of their integrity and intending honesty. Despite all the ravings of the fanatics, there is much for both the labor and liberal/national to accept that many of their decisions have been flawed, and some fatal to our economy.

Richard 14/12/10 07:02 PM Report Abuse

I am a little late in this debate but wish offer my thoughts.

I am in favour of immigration but this should be legal and under our control.

The illegal immigrants are the relatively wealthy ones who can afford to pay the people smugglers. I don't know the correct figures but to me they appear to mostly be men.

Humanitarian immigration from refugee camps should be part of the mix of our immigrants. My guess is there are many women, children and others in refugee camps from where they came that probably need help more than those arriving in boats.

The journey by boat is hazardous and I suspect many lives have been lost in the pursuit of immigration at the hands of the people smugglers.

May I suggest that for every illegal immigrant that arrives by boat, we send them back to a refugee camp in their country of origin and bring back two of the perhaps more needy refugees that have gone through the proper channels. If sending them back to their country of origin is a threat to their lives due to past political or military activity then send them to a refugee camp in another country. This would demonstrate that we are in support of immigration from disadvantaged countries and would target those in greater need.

The immigration centres would only be temporary accommodation centres until their country of origin, safe return passage, and swap arrangements have been arranged.

The money saved from building and supporting the detention centres could be sent to the UN refugee camps to improve the processing and support of the camps in those locations with probably more cost effective outcomes.

In countries like Afghanistan, give consideration to those who have actively supported our forces there.

This to me would be a simple, effective, politically acceptable and cost effective solution. And I think this would quickly "stop the boats".

This presents the fact that we are a welcoming nation – firm but caring.

Just my thoughts

A Shoebert 17/12/10 06:42 AM Report Abuse

The recent deaths of thirty illegal boat people can be placed firmly at the feet of the Gillard Labour party.
By weakening the Liberal border protection, they encourage the human trafficking has has led to this tragedy.
Only by making illegal entry by these means, too difficult to be successful, will further deaths be avoided

Mathew James 10/01/11 09:15 PM Report Abuse

I believe a tougher stance is required, but believe the current tone is misdirected. Australians should not harbor bad feelings towards the refugees. Remember most have been taken advantage of by the people smugglers who seek to profit from others suffering.

We need a tough stance on these people smugglers and the focus needs to be at stopping the boats. By that, I mean stopping the people smugglers. By working with our overseas counterparts and imposing tougher penalties for would be smugglers we can send a stronger deterrent. Stopping the boats removes the emotive dilemma of sending innocent and vulnerable back.

A long term vision would be to reduce the number of boats by removing the people smugglers. This would free up resources which could then be used to increase the processing time of valid refugees and direct resources at the illegal immigrants arriving by air.

Labour has no vision, no idea on reform and no credibility. As long as they are in government the issue will get worse.

Lawson 23/01/11 10:09 AM Report Abuse

I believe we are too generous with the immigration policy along side gaining citizenship within this country. Living in Australia is a priviledge not a right. There is a right way to enter the country. We practically let anyone in the country anyways, which shouldn't be the case!

Mervyn Jacobi 25/01/11 10:01 AM Report Abuse

If you want to stop the boat people, force the authorities of the countries they come from, to treat their people with more decency. There is no country at present, where the people on low incomes, are treated properly. I suggest you look up the internet "history of US tax" it varies from their depression of the 1930's, The same for "History of tax of Australia", Unfortunately, this is not complete, but will give some idea of the taxes that caused the depression in the US in the 1930's and better conditions in the 1950's etc, and the good economy in Australia in the period between 1950 and 1970. Then look at "Taxes around the world" this will show the reason why the US is in a depression, and Australia and the rest of the world has a poor economy. If you can understand that high top taxes prevents obscene incomes and helps lower prices of goods and services, While Low top taxes allows obscene incomes which causes high costs of goods and services. When you look at "Taxes around the world". Decide for yourself, whether these boat people might have had a good economic reason to desert their own country, like many of our ancestors did many years ago. I am sure those boat people would willingly stay in their own country if the economy was all right.

ClintC 11/02/11 04:50 PM Report Abuse

Tougher tactics are essential in stopping this. Seriously are we all not sick of this same perdicament and nothing gets done about this. Thats Labour for you.. If we are to get rid of this plight on our country we need to get firm with this issue. We need strict guidlines for these people that should be aired on there televisions and printed in there papers stating the repercussions of ones actions if they proceed with trying to get here by illigal means. Im not talking about a slap on the wrist, Im thinking of sending these people back and scuttling the boat. Plain and simple and yet effective. Also once convicted of this charge, if reoccurance then get even more serious and implement strong arm tactics. By implementing tougher rules and educating the people we can definatly see a plunge in people smuggling activities. Simply put the rules inplace is kindergarten stuff.. Lets get tougher on this problem!

Catherine 20/02/11 02:53 PM Report Abuse

There's no way you can just 'stop the boats'. And there shouldn't be. People seem to hold the view that they're coming here in droves because it's easy to but it's not. The boats are cramped and people have legitimate reasons to flee their countries. We can't empathise and we don't bother sympathising.

Jay 25/02/11 04:02 PM Report Abuse

Ok lets process the people quicker and get them into our communities, but lets introduce a law which stands for all people entering Australia that if they are caught breaking any of our laws they will be on the first plane out of Australia. And make that for the first 5 years of them being here in our country.

Wal of the West 02/03/11 05:31 PM Report Abuse

We may be immigrants to Australia but we ARE Europen immigrants. The Australian Constitution was put togther by and for a European people. There is no such thing as a multiracial nation! The Constitution allowed for those none whites in Australia before Federation but intended NOT to have any brought in.
He who is against the White Australia Policy is against the Australian Nation - and there seems to be plenty of white traitors.

Mervyn Jacobi 04/03/11 12:56 PM Report Abuse

If we had decent governments, things would be different. Since 1971, we have had the biggest lot of whimps in parties and in government. We had a good economy back in the 1950's and '60's, but the lawyers who have hijacked the positions since then, have brought back our economy almost to that 1930's depression. The fact that the treasurers have both stopped just short of plunging into another depression, is no recommendation of their intelligence, they did get as far as the recession, and plunged back into it four or five times, and the parties fanatics rave about those treasurers being so wonderful. The last four or five treasurers have all touched the recession, we do not have people with intelligence or integrity in our parties, labor or liberal.

LukeB 07/03/11 12:19 AM Report Abuse

The people are fleeing from war-torn countries, and I can accept that, but there are steps involved in becoming a citizen and receiving the benefits we offer. They are illegal immigrants and the law must be obeyed. If the law is applicable to one it should be for all, regardless of the situation they escaped from.

professional 28/03/11 12:54 AM Report Abuse

The boats need to be stopped!

Jane 04/04/11 11:48 AM Report Abuse

Where's the 'oppose the idea' button?
Also just to clear something up. Asylum seekers who come by boat are not illegal. According to a Parliamentary Library document on asylum seekers 'there is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa'. This document notes that people arriving by boat in order to seek asylum are entitled to do so. This is in line with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states that everyone has the right to seek asylum. So there is no place in our country for such policies that seek to deter people from the opportunity to apply for refugee status. As for these 'boat people' being queue jumpers- do some research and you'll see there is no queue to jump in many cases. People need to stop listening to the fear campaigns of politicians regarding this issue. They are not flooding our boarders as some would have us believe. Australia please start thinking for yourself and don't just believe the fear campaigning of politicians. Surely we're smarter than that.

Mervyn Jacobi 05/04/11 11:34 AM Report Abuse

Jane, I am pleased to see some person on this site who has some sence of integrity and intelligence, it seems to be a very rare thing in Australia today. I wish there was a pil to chase away stupidity etc, because there seems to be a number of people who need it.

Lesley of Perth 26/05/11 11:52 AM Report Abuse

I am a concerned Australia and am fed up with the Illegal Boat People situation.
The easiest solution here to stop people coming to our shores and costing the average Australian a lot of money is to send them straight back home.
No investigation as to whether they are genuine or not, they are coming here illegally. This is called tough love. Within a very short time you will find the flood will become a trickle.
The government is wasting tax payers money on accommodation, health checks, security checks etc. etc. etc... plus the cost of housing these people once they are allowed into the country.
I am a 60 year old woman, still working to try and pay off my mortgage and support myself. I have never received anything from any govt agency and it is a struggle right now to try and keep myself afloat and keep a roof over my daughters and my head. My wages havent increased in over 4 years and I now find myself being made redundant in September as the company is closing its doors. At 60 it is going to be extremely difficult to find another job.... yes you want us to work longer... but employers do not want to employ us at this age. Because I work over 25 hours I am not eligible for any reduction in my rates, electricity, water charges etc.
FED UP AUSTRALIAN

Catherine 26/05/11 02:43 PM Report Abuse

Lesley, although your situation may be a struggle, you should perhaps consider the lives of those coming on boats. I will repeat what I previously wrote: these people have valid reasons for fleeing their countries - far worse circumstances than a vast majority of us in Australia or indeed the Western world could ever comprehend. Is it too much to ask to share a little? Besides, as Jane said, there far fewer attempting to enter than the media would have us believe. Perhaps it would be beneficial to take a look at this website to stamp out the myths.
www.rethinkrefugees.com.au

Loris Hemlof 30/05/11 11:23 AM Report Abuse

To remove the honey pot affect people should only receive Australian welfare when having two or more ancestors born in Australia. We could then abolish mandatory detention unless in need of aid ration. Only aid welfare reliant refugees would be put in tents on detention Australian island such as Melville, Christmas, and Bathurst island keeping both refugees and us Australian citizens welfare safe until safe to repatriate to region of ancestry or having a well paid job in Australia. Self reliant, innocent, healthy refugees would be able to freely enter and live in Australia. Providing royal treatment in Australia for 1% of refugees while letting 99% of refugees die of starvation, war and disease was cruel and inhumane but so as to have faked being humane. Rather than provide the royal treatment in Australia while Australian born have been made homeless, starved and bashed by refugees who have tended to be black thugs, Australia and the G20 should provide 20% of currency exodus to bring income of all refugees up to $4 per day in return for sterilization by injection rather than refugees having had 8 children on average. I would rather you condemn common black racist brutality, confusion, backwardness, intimidation and stolen sense of virtue rather than the exception to the rule white racist earned virtue of expressing the truth.

Christine Gann 01/06/11 09:14 PM Report Abuse

WHY do we allow so called refugees from Afghanistan to live in Australia very freely, while our young men are in THEIR country fighting for freedom for THEIR country?
Why are they not back there fighting with COALITION forces for THEIR country?
The French did it with the underground during WW11 & even the refugees from Vietnam did not start to arrive until the War there was over, which was hard enough for the Vietnam Veterans who are still suffering from that war. How many of our young men fighting in Afghanistan today will spend the rest of their lives suffering the consequences of this war, also their families as well will suffer as did the Vietnam Vet families. HOW CAN THERE BE LEGITIMATE Afghanistan so called refugees living comfortably here when they should be in their own country fighting their so called enemy. It just makes me furious.

jazzy 02/06/11 01:54 PM Report Abuse

turn the boats back now dummy's

Robert 14/06/11 06:46 PM Report Abuse

Perhaps we can take all the Afghan refugees who arrive as boat people to be enlisting in the Afghan army, provide them with military training at say Tindel, the send the cowards back to fight their own war. Sick of seeing our brave men being killed for their cause. However, I was a Customs Officer for almost 20 years (can't get back in because of my views of the current Govt's policies), and I can tell you that most people illegally in this country arrived by air and asked for asylum or just over stayed their Visas.

Steve 14/06/11 07:12 PM Report Abuse

If people don't support the comments on this site, why bother looking and making remarks? Perhaps if you guys went out and got a job instead of trawling through a Liberal website in case they might remove a Labour Centrelink benefit, this country might be a far better and intelligent place.

D 11/07/11 08:57 PM Report Abuse

Good idea, stopping them has been done before and can be done again. UK people were so impressed by John Howards policies wished they had same as now they are in a real mess. I just hope tony abbott can be as good at devising and implementing good policy which labour state and federal have clearly shown they have no common sense in this regard.

NDowd 13/07/11 12:21 PM Report Abuse

I would like to commend New Zealand on the stance that they have taken on boat people, which is a no acceptance policy!! If they have not applied through the correct channels or procedures they are sent back. This is the only way we are going to stop such a large influx of boat people arriving on our shores. We are all complaining about carbon tax at the moment but we are happy to pay millions and millions of dollars on housing, medicare and financial support to people who arrive here illegally.

It is time for Australia to take control and take a stronger stance!! It's our way or no way!!!

frank 11/08/11 04:04 PM Report Abuse

200 down 600 to go

Dean McPherson 05/09/11 01:14 PM Report Abuse

Sometimes who you are, needs never be mentioned or questioned simply agreed to.
Gutless selfish ar--hole. Toni Abbott and his supporters, you are arrogant, ignorant and selfish.
These are the emotions and motives surrounding your every political decision and these shine through with your most recent offer to change the rules on immigration because they don't suit you and your parties political agenda.
35,000 people in one month was the number of people Italy had to deal with. You show your true weakness with your reactions to several thousand that we need to deal with yearly in Australia.
Selfish little so and so Tony Abbott and your supporters, you the religious anti-enviromental nuts that choose to not place a dollar value on the environment to protect my children's future from dirty industry. You who care for themselves and little else.
There is an open invitation for you to help me deal with some of my frustrations with your narrow minded assault of my senses. Come with me and see the lives of the people that your are making such educated decisions about, seemingly to my mind without any first hand experience. Lets see what the conditions are like from whence they came.
Without any personal experience you protect yourself from any of the human emotion's that come into play when you make your inhumane decision's.
Toni Abbott, you who finally wants to work together with the labour party on changing laws that protect the weakest people in the international community. Not to help these people yet to make there lives even more difficult
Come on Toni and all of your disgusting supporter's, come and pick on someone your own size.
Dean Norman McPherson
Atheist
Environmentalist
Anti future eater.

BrendaSaff 06/09/11 05:04 AM Report Abuse

Being a resident of Western Sydney i can understand the need to turn away Boat People.

The truth is many of these boat people are people yes, but many do not have the same intentions as other people seeking refuge or sanctuary here in Australia. Many of the boat people are coming here because they need to, because they come from War Torn countries and are seeking the place in the region that is most safest. But they do not want to move here to Integrate or be part of the Australian community. Not all, but a majority of them still adhere to their Cultural or Religious beliefs over Australian Law, and often are involved in fraudulent activity to get by, or have big families to get welfare benefits. I am not saying i do not like their culture or ways, but many of them put those ways above ours because their intention was never to be an Australian, only to be somewhere safe. These people teach their children those values and that translates in crime.

Raine 19/09/11 07:55 PM Report Abuse

I am a LIberal but think Tony Abbot is making a huge mistake not supporting Gillard on this issue.................He needs to think about this, he is coming over as a "Its my way or the highway"
He may wish he had got this through when he had a chance. What will happen when he becomes PM and the high court says NO you cannot put them on Naru.
Think before you regret this. I am very anti labor but think this is a good thing for the Liberal Party when we win at the next election.

not happy 20/09/11 09:41 AM Report Abuse

Why are you all of a sudden worrying about the welfare of people of other countries when you don`t even look after our own. If you don`t work out a way to change the migration act with Labor then god help this country. Get out in the real world and talk to australians and you`ll find the majority don`t want on shore processing.

A.J 20/09/11 10:56 AM Report Abuse

I`m a new liberal voter after voting Labor until last election. I turned to Liberals only for the policy of stopping this illegal boat people issue. I don`t know who to vote for now that Tony is going to knock back processing off shore and allowing them to be processed on shore. Come on Tony don`t allow on shore processing no matter what. Don`t play politics with Australians to score points off Labor.

pippat 14/10/11 07:29 AM Report Abuse

Scott, I was brought up in the Shire and most of my family still live there (of course - why would you ever leave!!!) and have been a great supporter of yours- but the Libs crazy opposition to the Malaysia solution is just beyond me. Why would you reject an idea that will actually work (which Nauru did not as they all eventually arrived here anyway)? I fear this is the beginning of a comeback for Ms Gillard, as you can now clearly be portrayed as having caused the expected surge in boats. I am a Liberal voter and I blame you. I was reluctant to believe the ALP's line about Tony Abbott's negativity, but your actions on this issue indicate they may be right. You should have manned up, admitted the govt were right and gone along with the Malaysia solution because it is clearly in the best interests of the country.

I have no problem with refugees - we should bring the 4000 (and more) refugees from camps in Malaysia and elsewhere anyway - this is not about stopping refugees, but about stopping the terrible risks being taken by perilous boat journeys.

You have lost a lot of credibility from this stance and think you will find sentiment against you.

Loris Hemlof 02/11/11 05:41 PM Report Abuse

Australia should detain on temporary protection visa the 80% of refugees who have been welfare reliant for training as aid distribution and protection workers for return for NATO+ protection as aid distribution and protection workers in region of ancestry after 5 years unemployment in Australia. 20% of refugees who are healthy and of good character able to do paid work subject to a high minimum wage of $25 per hour should be allowed to work in Australia in return for release into the community and be allowed to stay in Australia as long as having independent means and good character but not have access to our welfare. Australian welfare should be limited to Australian citizens by virtue of having 100 years combined ancestry in Australia. The longer term solution to refugee suffering must be voluntary family planning including sterilization by injection (Gonex) in village of ancestry of aid reliant refugees in exchange for about $1,000 in cash aid.

max 03/11/11 12:53 AM Report Abuse

send the african baby makers and boat people back.what about the aussies.my son cant get a job in the mines unless he is a boat person or stinking african.the africans are trouble .why is housing commission giving them nice homes while aussies have to wait years.send them back/can u do that.if u cant get out

max 03/11/11 01:00 AM Report Abuse

in coffs harbour they have 2 gangs of africans that are trouble makers the police dont turn up if called.and there is too many indians bought in by john arkin an indian that is in the council,he and his wife is also an immigration officer what a scam

KenCarr 06/11/11 11:01 AM Report Abuse

AS SBY stated some time ago, "you have to take the sugar off the table" to stop the boat people. And so to be strong we have to be willing to show how tough we are, even though many people wish we didnt have to be. The sugar in this case is now certain resettlement in Australia if you can get here, with full rights to welfare, healthcare and education and priority housing, and you can apply for the entire family to come here.
Limit these rights by temporary protection visas with no chance of family reunion, unless you apply for settlement here under normal immigration rules. Minimize the ability to seek welfare, by offering a "camp" for housing. Not a detention centre just somewhere basic to live, no other rights, unless you get a job and pay your way.
Finally, no chance of getting an Australian Passport, unless you meet the normal immigration standards

Being tough means the incentive (the sugar) is taken away.

xdfd 23/11/11 02:03 PM Report Abuse

FUu.uuCk ABBOT

Paul 08/12/11 12:58 PM Report Abuse

The problem that you have with turning boats back is that they will sink the boat that they are in, and due to the Australian Moral obligations we would not let them drown in the sea. So in this regard, no matter what party you are in and what party is in power at the time, this will continue to happen. The problem has to be sorted from over seas first. Debating on who has done the wrong thing, as the problem is getting worst due to the unrest of the global ecconomy, is not helping Australia solve the problem, this should be a joint effort from all Parties as this effects Australian as a whole.

Loris Hemlof 11/12/11 11:21 AM Report Abuse

Asylum and migration given to 10,000 black swindlers and brutes was just the beginning. After family reunion and child birth black population growth in Australia has increased by 100,000 for each years intake. (Crime statistics reveal black refugees have had over 10 times the propensity for assault and fraud than of white Australians). 80% of black refugees obtain special welfare and housing for more than 5 years worth on average $1,000,000 over time for each black refugee including by family reunion and birth. For which Australians citizens have been denied and brutalized by homelessness. $100b spent over time on each years intake of black refugees including by family reunion could save 100,000,000 black refugees from starvation to death each year, each paid 1,000 cash aid in exchange for sterilization by injection (Gonex). Black refugee migration has been a mortal threat to white Australia from having taken all new welfare, school, health and housing capacity. Wealthy Australia is a product of the white Australia policy, it is no coincidence that all nations predominantly black are brutish, starved, backward, and unjust living on less on average than $2 per day, while all nations predominantly white are wealthy, productive, and fair with plenty of food and housing for all living on average on $200 per day.

Ono 12/12/11 12:45 AM Report Abuse

Your nothing but a racist pig. What about the amount of white south Africans and white poms that come over here each month taking Australian job, why because the cost of living to high where they are so they come over here were the grass is greener. Do we turn them away and stop them
From entering our country????

Loris Hemlof 14/12/11 11:56 PM Report Abuse

I would rather have a white south African farmer produce extra produce to earn residency in Australia, or a white pom plumber improve our housing stock than pay for black welfare reliant refugees who have stolen our product and welfare. As long as the guest is a self reliant producer working for above a minimum wage of $20 per hour, migrant workers are not stealing Australian job they are creating extra product, black welfare reliant refugees have stolen product of real workers. Creating extra product should be the objective, not creating jobs wasting product earned by white farmers which should be for other white producers product and not taken by 80% of refugees who have not returned the favor.

Loris Hemlof 19/12/11 11:45 PM Report Abuse

Selecting for good character, productivity, and independent means may affect the racial mix to favor whites just as selection for welfare dependency, fugitives and depravity favored blacks.

dudleyj 21/12/11 02:40 PM Report Abuse

It is time to stop opposing Gillard just for the sake of it. Even the UNHCR has indicated that the Malaysian solution provides better treatment of Asylum seekers. Naru will never work so start co-operating or risk losing lots of support for your current stance.

Paul 22/12/11 12:48 PM Report Abuse

Hear Hear!! Listen to him Loris of the KKK, it makes all the sence in the world. Come together with ideas, don't shoot them down because they are on the other side. It is about time Government (Both sides) worked together for the greater good of the country we love.

Loris Hemlof 26/12/11 10:57 AM Report Abuse

I don't particularly hate boat people able to pay people smugglers, having white propensities for independent means they will make better citizens than the genuine refugees that they prevent coming to Australia selected for black propensities of being welfare dependent depraved fugitives magnet of permanent residency and citizenship access to our welfare already amounting to 10% of our GDP over time for each years intake of welfare reliant refugees, family reunion, babies and other welfare reliant migrants. (100,000 welfare dependent migrants per year including future family reunion and on average 10 children dependents x $1,000,000 average access to welfare and social services over time in Australia by a black person)

Mark 04/01/12 11:11 AM Report Abuse

There is only one solution. Close the boarders to boat arrivals with entry to Australia only by plane. Not only will this stop the illegal trade of people but will also slow down the number of people arriving. Asylum seekers must also declare before arriving in Australia if they have any intention of claiming asylum before the plane lands. If they don't declare, then they have committed a crime and should be sent back. If they do declare, then they can be treated accordingly and fairly.

dfordoom 13/01/12 03:18 PM Report Abuse

The first thing we need to do is to stop using the politically correct term asylum seekers. These are illegal immigrants.

Paul 13/01/12 03:30 PM Report Abuse

Problem is stopping them. If they come, we, as moral people, will take them in, we won't shoot them or let them drown. So with this in mind, it doesn't matter what party you are in, you will have the same situation. It is the people smugglers who need to be stopped and this may stop the boat people from coming. No party are looking at where this all starts, we just look at what to do when they get here.

dfordoom 13/01/12 05:09 PM Report Abuse

We're surrounded by ocean so sealing our borders is easy, if the political will exists to do it. Illegal immigrants are by definition criminals. We don't owe them anything. They aren't refugees. Take them off the boats and send them straight back where they came from. When they learn they aren't going to get in they'll soon stop coming.

ray 19/01/12 05:36 AM Report Abuse

Top 93 Domestic Terrorists – It’s Time to Arrest DC Politicians
Benjamin Fulford

Mon, Dec 5, 2011

Subject: Americans Poised to Take Back America

www.MorningLiberty.com

The word is that the Pentagon, the agencies and the militias are on the brink of taking violent action against President Obama and the Senators who claimed the right to kill and/or indefinitely imprison Americans without trial


will this be policey in aust


Prime Minister Julia Gillard was undemocratically placed in power by agents of the privately owned US Federal Reserve Board.

Loris Hemlof 21/01/12 04:13 PM Report Abuse

MODEL MIGRATION ACT: Black refugees may not obtain our nations citizenship except as native title holders. Foreign nationals guests including workers, tourists, students, and sportspeople including blacks and their spouses and children as sponsored dependents may visit our nation while of good health and may stay in our country on guests visa available from any embassy of this nation or beautiful or handsome and fit fair friends and spouses of our citizens or guest visa holders may be let in on arrival without a guest visa with a legal resident or citizen (not including refugee temporary protection visa holder) guaranteeing any health care needs of the friend. Citizens of our country who have lost their passport are allowed to enter our country with subsequent proof of citizenship or our national characteristics. Contraception and abortion is illegal in our country. Prostitution is illegal in our country unless fair, free of any infection, and payment to the female mother is over GDP / population / 5 [$11,000] for the purpose of conception such as genetic material donor and surrogate. Guest visa holders must have independent means, good character, plus comprehensive private health insurance and maintain high living standards and good conduct while in our country, with deportation for destitute and criminal over-stayers. Fair migrants of substantial means may become citizens with access to our apprenticeships, free corporate sponsored health care, and housing guarantee loans after 50 years combined legal ancestry in our country as guests. Able and willing refugees or good character but less means may choose to undergo boot-camp training as refugee and aid transportation and protection worker for 5 years on temporary protection visa and then may in return for aid choose to escort frail aid dependent refugees and aid to region of ancestry where not able or willing to undertake boot-camp training for refugee and aid transportation and protection. Other frail aid dependent refugees must immediately return to region of ancestry and receive GDP / population / 55 [ $1,000] and aid in exchange for sterilization by injection or death penalty if return to region of ancestry is refused. The death penalty also applies to any black person who has bashed, looted, rioted, thrown objects at police, raped, impregnated, stabbed, drunk driven, spread disease outside a native title area and been sentenced to a period of imprisonment. Elected representatives to our national parliament may only represent fair citizen producers and must vow to exclude black ethnic minorities. Parties, representatives, police, and lobbyist who have defended or lied to excuse black ethnic crime and migration are disqualified and lose our citizenship. Fair citizens may adopt fair children for life from any location world wide, but may not adopt black children. Except black native title holders may adopt black children from our native title areas. Air lines may not take any passengers to our country unless having our citizenship or visa, or white and having linguistic accent and genuine characteristic of citizens of our country. The penalty on carrier for having transported diseased, destitute, black or criminal refugee to our nation is GDP / population x 2 [$100,000] repaid as a bounty on arrest and deportation of each welfare reliant invader leaving our country paid to the carrier providing deportation or paid from our international defense budget.

Tanya Bennett 30/01/12 10:39 PM Report Abuse

Our Immigration programme is so unbalanced since labor came to power, people who chose to pay a smuggler, and bring along their children to be at great risk of drowning, should have a criminal charge put againnst them,, and once you have a criminal chage against you, you should not be eligible for residency,.. too many innocent children have died at sea,.. and the parents who put them on the boats should be charged as and unfit parent and and abuser,.. If you want to live in Australia,.. play the game by the same rules as the citizens of Australia do,... children are not little pawns to be played with in a dangerous game of country shopping!

Loris Hemlof 05/02/12 05:36 AM Report Abuse

Section 51 (xxvi) of the Australian constitution expressly allows people to deem necessary (request) and the national parliament to make racist laws for or against any race. Part IV Section 44 (I) makes it illegal for a member of parliament to enter into an allegiance with a foreign power. The international human rights convention which said we had to accept refugees is subject to section 51 (xxix) of the Australian constitution the external affairs power of the Australian parliament to enact or rescind laws relating to other countries. Section 51 (xxviii) allows the Australian parliament to legislate against the influx of criminals. Section 51 (xxvii) allows the Australian parliament to legislate for immigration and emigration. Section 51 (xxiv) relating to powers of the Australian parliament to determine the judicial process, would allow making of laws so a minister may terminate refugee access to the Australian courts and determine a penalty of expulsion from Australia. Section 51 (xix) Naturalization and aliens would allow parliament to determine terms and requirements to gain Australian citizenship.