Joseph Helmy 13/07/10 10:27 AM Report Abuse

The green army can call for volunteers from all over Australia to participate in tackling climate change.
Spending a weekend with the family doing something for the environment is the Australian way
Thousand of young people and young at heart are willing and able to help the environment, and the green army is a good start.
Slowly but surly, we can do it

Geoff Brown 14/07/10 01:31 PM Report Abuse

Why waste time and effort on the man-made climate change hoax. Spread the word that the hypothesis has been busted. The IPCC has spent more than twenty years trying to prove man-made CO2 emissions are causing runaway global warming and have admitted that they have failed. Ferenc Miskolczi,(ex NASA physicist) has a peer-reviewed paper showing the saturated effect of CO2 - it can do no more warming.

VinceOZ 17/07/10 03:51 PM Report Abuse

I live in NSW, and I have committed to getting an 8 KwH solar system, not because I am interested in AGW/ETS/CC. I think the science is "Crap", however the rebates via AGL is $0.68 per KWH, this is just good financial sense. For me the payout is about 3.8 years on an investment of $31,000. After that I start earning some extra, and I would hope by then Centrelink will allow the credits to not be seen as income, since the ATO does not. But I am wandering here.

I suggest that the Federal Government have a scheme like we have in NSW, one that allows the renewable to be excepted as just good business.

mike 20/07/10 07:09 PM Report Abuse

You must force Gillard to reveal her enviromental policy. She could not get it through cabinet, she has done a deal with the Greens and clearly does not want to discuss it. She has no policy, attack her on this front until the media takes up the cry. Use talk back radio, make it an issue.

It has the potential to split her vote, alienate the Greens or scare the hell out of middle class voters. Added bonus will be it might force traditional ALP voters in mining etc to vote coalition in at least the upper house out of fear for their jobs.

One of the beauties of her having no policy is a scare campaign is wide open. Take the fight up to them on ground they clearly do not want to fight over.

Joseph Helmy 21/07/10 03:42 PM Report Abuse

Let every Australian know that the labor party together with the green having the balance of power in the senate will introduce price on carbon from July next year.
The price of everything will increase and it will do nothing to the environment without having the whole world involved

Geoff Mallett 24/07/10 07:05 AM Report Abuse

Just be straight out there with this climate change tax and say there just won't be one if the liberals get in. Don't put the labor party down on this it is just making you look bad. Give the people the straight answer and you will have a lot more supporters. WE DON'T WANT A CLIMATE CHANGE TAX!!! There are a lot of Australians out there doing there bit to combat carbon emissions. I totally believe in the solar program. This really is the way to go!

May 25/07/10 01:44 PM Report Abuse

I am up to my 26th attempt to make a post on the Labor party plan to have a "committee of 150" for Climate change policy.

This message board will not accept my post.

I think, now, after wasting hours and hours here, it is because I use the word to describe myself, which has currency in the market place of ideas.

I don't use it as a profanity, but some may use it against me.

I feel frustrated in my desire to comment.

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may 25/07/10 02:01 PM Report Abuse

I have been considering an idea for a while, that involves true innovation in motor transport. I believe it has possibilities even though I'm not a scientist myself. The idea is to drive cars by electromagnetic energy, ie using the dynamo effect of rotating magnets. The friction of breaking could also be used as in some hybrids to build up charge for the starter motor.

Naturally, it would need a starter motor like internal combustion engines do currently, but apart from that, it would require no electricity top ups, nothing. Each individual car would be self generating.

I wonder if the lack of interest in such a vehicle is because of the problem Nicola Tesla ran into 100 years ago, that Electromagnetism was rejected because it was FREE ENERGY.

Nicola Tesla is regarded by many as the most brilliant scientist of the 20Th Century and the failure to take up his ideas is seen by many as setting back science potentially 100 years.

There is renewed interest in his ideas, which involved simple CLEAN, FREE ENERGY,

When we talk about saving the planet, surely we can put aside the desires of some to make money out of energy and embark upon a program of "clean" FREE ENERGY.
This way, we would never need to mine Uranium etc.

Surely, the time has come for utilizing Tesla's ideas.

The only thing stopping it, then as now, is powerful people refuse to give cognisance to ideas involving free energy production.

I welcome comments, if anyone considers I am naive about this.

Tesla seems to be very much back in fashion these days.

may 25/07/10 02:04 PM Report Abuse

Okay that one got in. I don't understand it?

I am very passionate in my desire for the coalition to get back into power. One of my main reasons is to stop the prospect of carbon trading.

I have posted once in the "Stand up for Australia section.

I wanted to post about the Labor party Climate iniative. I tried and tried about 20 times. The prompt came back repeatedly telling me to re-word my piece without profanities. THERE WERE NO PROFANITIES. I removed the names of all living entities, I tweaked it here, I tweaked it there. I tried to adjust the tone because I'm very suspicious of their Climate proposal. But nothing I did made my post acceptable.

This is distressing because I want the Coalition to win. But your website is so inferior to the Labour party website that I fear you are driving people away.

May 25/07/10 02:05 PM Report Abuse

continued.....

Let me list a few problems.
Once a person's post is longer than 10 lines, it is no longer visible on my browser setting.
Secondly, the Labor party blog topics are now moving into discussion. Once registered, there is no problem making a post.
Thirdly, they have trained people there leading the discussion. They have been training continuously since before the last election. I know, because I have encountered them elsewhere on the web. They are very knowledgable in Labour policy and very skilled at being in a sense "hidden persuaders".

I have now, inspite of wanting the Coalition to win transfered my blog activity over to the Labour site. It certainly beats trying to post unsuccessfully twenty times.


I hope someone reads this and that you can effect improvements before its too late.

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may 25/07/10 02:37 PM Report Abuse

I can't believe it.
You can see for yourselves the time I have wasted here.

I cannot see what the objectionable material is?

It would be better if your prompter, gave just a hint of what is in any way objectionable.

Yours truly,

in complete dismay.


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May 25/07/10 04:41 PM Report Abuse

Just remember, Steve Fielding and Family First will probably be out of Parliament this time round. The greens will increase their vote. The ALP do not want the Greens deciding the Carbon tax, with this "Committee of 150" scheme, the Greens can be side lined as well.

Don't fall for it. Don't be gullible.

The Coalition is the only way of fighting this Anthropomorphic Climate Change scare Tactic.

May 25/07/10 04:44 PM Report Abuse

This is the lat part of my comment and it got in. I will start again.

May 25/07/10 04:45 PM Report Abuse

Clearly, the Labor party’s Climate consensus Committee will be used to try and circumvent Parliament completely, once the Americans take Climate action. The Labor party knows there is no point in taking Climate action without the Americans. This "Committee of 150", promised as random, no doubt, will be randomly in favour of carbon trading.

continuing..

May 25/07/10 04:46 PM Report Abuse

The Anthropogenic Climate Change boosters are starting another campaign against people who don't accept their consensus science. A new strategy has been devised, of once again condemning scientists, who are dubious of their claims. The Scientists who champion real empirical science, not models, are going to be characterized as illegitimate in their science. The Anthropogenic Climate change scientists will use all the, not inconsiderable political and media capital, they have at their disposal They have started forming "lists". They propose to try and show that any scientist who will not fall into line are not high calibre scientists. The"real facts" are that the independent scientists are the high calibre scientists of integrity. It is the AGW scientists who are using the politics of populism, on the back of the “earth charter” environmental movement.


continuing....

May 25/07/10 05:04 PM Report Abuse

There will be mass media coverage once the new drive for carbon trading commences, for the last time in earnest. The Labor party will have its "Committee of 150" ready to effectively prevent any parliamentary s.c.r.u.t.i.n.y or possibility of bills not being passed.

continuing......

May 25/07/10 05:05 PM Report Abuse

There will be NO writing to MP's because the decision will be be "outside" Parliament.
Lets not fall for this one.
In my view, A VOTE for Labor will mean carbon trading will begin within the term of the next Parliament.

continuing...

May 25/07/10 05:08 PM Report Abuse

Just remember, Steve Fielding and Family First will probably be out of Parliament this time round. The greens will increase their vote. The ALP do not want the Greens deciding the Carbon tax, with this "Committee of 150" scheme, the Greens can be side lined as well.

Don't fall for it. Don't be gullible.

The Coalition is the only way of fighting this Anthropomorphic Climate Change scare Tactic.
The Climate is always changing and there are very minor anthropomorphic affects, But, we are not on the brink of catastrophic Climate Change due to Pollution.

This is a fiction created for Global Political change.

May 25/07/10 05:15 PM Report Abuse

I have literally been here all weekend to get a post onto the blog. In the end I have achieved it.

Please remember that Andrew posted a very, very, long post here, recently:

Andrew 20/07/10 01:01 AM Report Abuse
A PATH TO FASTER CLIMATE CHANGE RESOLUTION
THE ISSUE
The victim of the opposing camps on climate change is first the environment then all of us.

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I have had to literally cut my post up into tiny pieces.

I had to post again and again for the word circ.....mvent: a word I got away with in my post of 25/07/10 04:45 PM.

There is something very unhealthy going on here.

It should be checked out.

May 25/07/10 07:44 PM Report Abuse

I am having nothing but trouble here. I pushed the Abuse button on my own post because it is in the reply position in my usual message board.

Aso, with the situation of having to repost my climate comment about 40 times. I have made mistakes:

I meant anthropogenic Climate change NOT anthropomorphic.......

Please consider:

The “Climate Movie for Young People”

visit the website.

aussepom 25/07/10 09:55 PM Report Abuse

Hi
my post removed there were no profanities in it I will contact you

aussepom 25/07/10 09:57 PM Report Abuse

my projects are on track hope you are still in power

Sam Scheding 25/07/10 11:59 PM Report Abuse

The terms climate change and global warming seems to immediately make even mild disbelievers into all out deniers. My argument is this: 'When you pollute a river the marine life dies, climate change is just pollution on a major scale.'
I can't physically comprehend how anyone can deny that...

Geoff Brown 26/07/10 09:03 AM Report Abuse

We should all fight pollution. However people are being hoodwinked. We are told that carbon (dioxide) is pollution. Carbon Dioxide is not pollution; it is vital to all life. Humans exhale about 1kg of CO2 daily. Anyone who believes that CO2 is a pollutant should immediately stop breathing.

Nick 26/07/10 05:09 PM Report Abuse

Buying abatements is not actually doing anything about our own emissions. This policy is clearly a minimal action policy designed to spend money and put on a show, perhaps employ people and contribute to the economy, but not to do anything about climate change which the party says it understands and believes it.

It is such a pity that the party can't just admit that they don't really want to do anything about our emissions.

Geoff Brown 26/07/10 05:34 PM Report Abuse

Nick - "It is such a pity that the party can't just admit that they don't really want to do anything about our emissions. "

Emissions of what, Nick? The flawed theory that man-made CO2 emissions cause Global Warming is dead. After more than 20 years with their sole brief to find man's CO2 is causing runaway Global Warming (AGW), the IPCC has admitted that the have failed. There is no smoking gun. We have correspondence from them admitting their failure. In fact there is now deception. The terminology went from Anthropogenic Global Warming to Global Warming and then when the warming ceased, it morphed into Climate Change.

Let's have a Royal Commission into the flawed science and the promoters of AGW.

Graham Baldwin 26/07/10 07:29 PM Report Abuse

The Murray Darling Basin Commission is sitting on it draft proposals until after the election, it time for the Tony and Liberals to put the commission under the blow torch to release this draft plan before we go to the polls.

The labor minister Penny Wong has no desire to see this plan released, it makes you wonder if the plan is anti agriculture.

South Australia in particular the Riverland is eagar to see whats in the draft as many famers have struggled to keep going over the last few years with small water allocations, the economic viability of the whole region depends on positive outcome for the riverland.

Hamlet 26/07/10 08:36 PM Report Abuse

Yeah. I agree with Sam.

Geoff Brown 26/07/10 08:51 PM Report Abuse

Yes, Ham, I also agree with Sam. We should eradicate pollution.

But... we should not be conned into believing that vital-to-life CO2 is pollution!

Sin Fong Chan 28/07/10 12:16 PM Report Abuse

Many cafes extend their trading floor space to the side walk. The furniture occupies area, thus narrowing the walk way. On very busy sunny days, this hinders free flow of pedestrian traffic, and may post a safety problem.

While the side-walk Alfresco-style dining may give the city a touch of European atmosphere, the negatives may outweigh the positive. Most diners are considerate, but some leave unsightly mess of used bags, bottles, containers and cigarette butts.

Side-walk diners, like many people, are concerned about the air quality they breathe, and yet they are quite contented to sit next to busy roads where unhealthy exhaust fumes are continuously emitting from motor vehicles. If the diners are smokers, they will suck in double dose of carcinogens – the tar and the exhaust particles.

Diners who choose to dine outside on very cold days should wear appropriate attire instead of using external gas heaters installed by the business owners. Most of the heat is wasted in warming up the open air, and only small proportion benefits the diners. Such inconsideration reflects on the naivety and hypocrisy of the diners on climate change and global warming argument.

The use of external heating devices should be banned in the name of energy conservation, climate change minimisation and being a good global citizen.

Sin Fong Chan 28/07/10 01:48 PM Report Abuse

It is not uncommon that hundreds of balloons are released at funerals in the name of "celebrating life" for the deceased. Once the helium gas has escaped from the balloons, they will fall into the rivers, streams, paddocks, etc. and pollute the environment and even kill marine lives and birds. This practice has to be stopped.

may puttock 30/07/10 12:04 PM Report Abuse

Yesterday, 29 July, 2010>>> there was saturation press coverage of NOAA and other surface temperature data for 2009-2010. This was typical "weather is not climate" subterfuge. Apart from the fact that a very high proportion of weather stations are in the centre of cities and therefore subject to the distortions of the "heat island effect". So called Climate sceptics, use satellite data, because it is far more accurate.>>> Climate change alarmists cling to outmoded temperature data collection and use models, not advanced tracking techniques.>>>>Nothing was mentioned of the higher temperatures, coinciding with the EL NINYO effect. THIS IS A PRESS RELEASE FROM LAST YEAR.>>> El Ninyo Arrives; Expected to Persist through (Northern Hemisphere) Winter 2009-10 July 9, 2009>>>> NOAA scientists today announced the arrival of El Nino, a climate phenomenon with a significant influence on global weather, ocean conditions and marine fisheries. El Nino, the periodic warming of central and eastern tropical Pacific waters, occurs on average every two to five years and typically lasts about 12 months. NOAA expects this El Nino to continue developing during the next several months, with further strengthening possible. The event is expected to last through, (Northern hemishere) winter 2009-10. http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090709_elnino.html THIS IS A PRESS RELEASE FROM THIS YEAR. 8 July 2010>>> The majority of models now predict La Niña conditions (SST anomalies less than or equal to -0.5oC in the Nino-3.4 region) to develop during June-August and to continue through early 2011. http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.html>>>>> The La Nina condition often follows the El Nino, especially when the latter is strong. In the past 20 years there have been 7 El Ninos but only three La Ninas. Therefore La Nina effects are less understood. http://www.climateavenue.com/cl.extr.la.nina.htm

may puttock 30/07/10 12:07 PM Report Abuse

I read an article from China last year, referencing the Chinese solar engineer, who trained here in Sydney. He said that there are a lot of misconception in the populism of the new energy sources. He said that the amount of energy required to build a solar panel is far, far, more than the energy savings from the solar panel in its 20 year lifetime. I had not even realised that they only last 20 years. The Chinese use Coal fired power stations for the energy to make the panels. They were complaining that America is farming out the manufacture of panels to China because that way, the carbon count does not appear on Americas records. The panels are merely assembled in America. These crazy distortions in markets to cost and carbon shift seems ludicrous. People laugh at Australia because it is the only country to believe the level playing field mantra. We are seen as suckers.........

may puttock 30/07/10 12:09 PM Report Abuse

The ABC, RN, AM program had a report on EV cars YESTERDAY morning, principally on "Better Place" and "Charge point." I caught only some of it. Evan Thornley, the EX Victorian ALP, MP (in waiting) stood down a couple of years ago to join the French EV consortium, "Better Place". The roll out of the vehicle will coincide with the roll out of the Charge point network. These cars can be charged from a power point in the Garage. As I understand it, the payment plan for using "Charge point" is like payment plans for Mobile Phones, a pity Nicola Tesla and JP Morgan did not think of that in the 1930's. We may have been driving EV's for 80 years, if that had been the case and many wars could have been avoided, all for the sake of coming up with a payment plan? The roll out will commence in Canberra in 2011, and in other States by 2012. The full "Charge point" network will be complete by 2013. Just in time for carbon taxing, if that ever transpires. Petrol driven, combustion engines, will still be around for a long time into the forseeable future they said.

may puttock 30/07/10 12:10 PM Report Abuse

I still think a Electromagnetic energy vehicle is the way to go. This is in terms of a vehicle being virtually battery free. China has control of most rare earths, required for the EV batteries, they have a share agreement with Japan, so there is always going to be a supply problem and the self sufficiency problem, that America is currently trying to achieve over Oil. The Honda EV is able to build some charge by the friction of stopping. In an Electromagnetic car, in which I'm referencing, Nicola Tesla, just as an innovative reference, the charge built by the friction of stopping, could actually supply the starter motion. Keeping the EV running once started, should be achievable by just the dynamo effect of the rotating magnets. There would therefore be some small battery capacity required on my current thinking. I'm not sure if magnetite is the source of Magnets, but I do know China is currently about to negotiate a Magnetite mining deal, ref: Lateline Business, Monday or Tuesday. We should be careful, if we ever want to diversify and create any industry, to not to sell off all the rare commodities required for a more innovative future.

Andrew 30/07/10 12:22 PM Report Abuse

Hey May. Great Info.

Regards Solar panels where you mentioned that in the 20 year life they can't put out as much energy as it takes to make them. Please go and review Melbournes Technique Solar http://www.techniquesolar.com.au/
These guys reckon they hav made a big break through - instead of 15% conversion they believe they are now getting 50% conversion. If you can find out about that Chinese guy (shoot a post with who and which comapny or the article) and get technique solars data in front of him, it would be interesting to see if this changes the game?

Sin Fong Chan 30/07/10 01:41 PM Report Abuse

Throughout the past many centuries, the exposed area of the sea has not diminished; and if the earth is warming up, the evaporation rate should be higher, and therefore, rain should fall more frequently. The hypothesis about global warming causing severe droughts seems contradictory.

The crystal ball gazers reckon that the global warming will cause the melting of polar ice and drought. The sea level will rise to as much as 25 metres. If that is the case, why should we worry about the drought? Arid land will be flooded and irrigated by the rising water. The Simpson Desert, the Sahara Desert and the Gobi Desert, just to name a few, will probably become fertile farmland which could support a few more billions people.

Before the sea level increases to such height, much of the water will have channelled into the existing river system, or new rivers formed. Part of the water will also fill the artesian wells, which for the past decades, have been drained close to empty for farm use and domestic consumption.

Sin Fong Chan 30/07/10 01:45 PM Report Abuse

No one can be sure of what caused the freezing of our Earth. One thing is certain though, that the ice melted, and the Earth flourished again.

The reason the ice melted could neither be attributed to the burning of fossil fuels by industries, nor the forest fires; and therefore, the global warming could never have been caused by human during the Ice Age (there were no humans then, anyway).

Sin Fong Chan 30/07/10 01:48 PM Report Abuse

Climate change is a convenient term. It can mean global warming or global cooling, a real safe bet. Probe more deeply, ETS is not about climate change, it is about a slight smack on the bum those culprits who pour out more carbon dioxide and ask them make a "donation" to the poor box, get a fall guy to make good the sin. ETS is about paying someone to clean up the polluters’ mess. It is disgusting!

Sin Fong Chan 30/07/10 01:51 PM Report Abuse

The sun pours out millions and millions joules of energy upon the earth surface and oceans every day. Do we really expect the planet to get cooled? If so, what cools it and how is it done? Global warming is here to stay, unless human race starts working on a reversal process in cooling the earth, Kyoto Protocol and ETS are just band aid approaches.

Carbon capturing, carbon trading, recycling, and reducing greenhouse gas emission do not solve global warming, but only slowing the warming process down! It's about time scientists should think spherically, not just laterally, to find a solution in cooling the earth - that's right, GLOBAL COOLING!

Sin Fong Chan 30/07/10 02:00 PM Report Abuse

Unfortunately, the Earth is not a close system. The Sun is an external heat source and its radiated heat is causing net increase of heat energy on Earth. According to the theories of Thermodynamics, we have two possible solutions. One is to look up beyond the upper atmospheres and work out how heat exchanges between the Earth and the outer Space can be improved. This is the one and only platinum prize!

Another is to convert the heat energy to other form of stored energy – not just in the trees, but also in high carbohydrate content cereals. Carbohydrate is a carbon sink, capturing the carbon dioxide and can be consumed to sustain lives. This may or may not be a long term solution, but this definitely helps to solve another Earthly problem – starvation!

Eddy 30/07/10 05:00 PM Report Abuse

No need for carbon credits and all the new money makers that will spring up as a result of a new carbon trading industry. Put all that nonsence in place and you create thousands of jobs for people to administer it/police it etc. These will be employed people that are making nothing and fixing nothing, Just another tick sucking the blood out of the cow. If you want to reduce carbon emissions, tax the fuel. Funds raised can allow other taxes to be reduced so that on average we have the same money to spend each month. This will create an incentive to save energy without creating a new industry that those who work productively will have to support.

Dave 31/07/10 04:06 PM Report Abuse

Have the liberals looked into Gas exploration companies and considered some saught of tax rebate on exploration costs


I have read that some Australian small gas exploration companies eg.(Onshore gas companies in Victoria ) that the gas fields they have identified contain gas with virtually no CO2, unlike other gas which can contain up to 12% CO2 (before burning).

if used for power generation can reduce air pollution and generate the peoples needs for elctricity .

Will the liberals look at assisting small exploration companies that seek to find a alternative source of power generation than Coal power generation....IF so what assistance is being debated in the Liberal party.

may puttock 02/08/10 10:55 AM Report Abuse

The Political parties, especially the ALP needs to get up to speed with the current Social Theory:

Ilya Pri.go.gine won the Nobel prize for Che.mistry in 1977. So what you might say? Well, the point is it completely tra.nsfo.rmed all social theory, the tran.sformation is a work in progress. Whether you realise it or not, the slogan, "Moving Forward" is an exemplar of Prigogine's opus! "Moving Forward" is to Prigogine, what E=MC2 is to Einstein.

Prigogine's book, "The End of Certainty" explains that deter.minism is no longer a viable scientific belief. He re-introduces the arrow of time to physics and prog.resses to chaos theory and the concept that we are always making order out of chaos. This theory has had a huge impact on all social sciences, systems and theory.

Under this theory we know the ire.lev.ance of pointing to a person's beliefs in the old epoch, we are in tran.sition out of that epoch. Tony Abbott's religious beliefs 20 years ago, do not and can never define him in the current context. He has "moved on" to a new gestalt. We are all collectively in social evolution and it is absolutely "correct" that we change our minds and that we tran.sform over time.

The point that I have been making about the Dawkin's Education revolution is that, Prigogine's ideas were
" PEAKING" in fashion-ability then. The ALP set out to capture the future vote with the Dawkins plan, to destroy manufacturing and trade training and set in place the building blocks of univ.ersal University education, seeking to ride a wave into the future. But, as Prigogine war.ned the future cannot be deter.mined, just as Climate cannot be determined by models, the World is a chaotic system and any ordering is time dependant and will inevitably collapse.

may puttock 02/08/10 11:17 AM Report Abuse

When I talk of using electromagnetic energy in cars, I don't speak as an expert, I just speak on the intuition or hunch that it can work By getting back to basics on the mechanics of motion as a starting point.

The more I think about it, I'm sure the Torque and Friction forces could be utilized and increased by off-setting and with leverage, to in a sense spring load propulsion and keep the magnets rotating.

In this case, wear and tear on moving parts is more than offset by reducing the need for rare earth batteries.

My comments may annoy the aficionado's but often useful springboards for thinking, can come out of left field. People steeped in a process are often habituated into seeing things, from only one perspective, they are prevented in "moving forward" by the safety and comfort of the rear view vision and of their "consensus". They get caught up in an old "Gestalt" that has already been overtaken by new information.

may puttock 02/08/10 11:44 AM Report Abuse

Dear Andrew,

I am having great difficulty posting here. My posts get deleted as spam and profanity. They are neither but, the software seems to think so.

I will try short, posts

may puttock 02/08/10 11:54 AM Report Abuse

Dear Andrew,

I found the long piece you posted very interesting in some of its key points.

I have been looking for the chinese solar information I spoke of. I think Suntech is the guy from Sydney and some of the info comes from Nytimes I think. I will post the links after the link from this article:

may puttock 02/08/10 11:55 AM Report Abuse

Dirty reality behind solar power
Making panels to tap sun’s energy is polluting and wasteful

Copyright 2009 South China Morning Post Ltd.
All Rights Reserved

South China Morning Post

September 10, 2009 Thursday

may puttock 02/08/10 11:57 AM Report Abuse

I have the link through find articles, SCMP is subscription only:

I think the software here thinks the link is spam.

I will post it in the next window if I can, otherwise use Find ARTICLES.

i WILL POST THE nytimes links too, if I can

may puttock 02/08/10 11:58 AM Report Abuse

This is it.

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020474&docId=l:1036131381&start=11

Hope it works.

Dave 02/08/10 11:58 AM Report Abuse

Heres a Idea .. how about solar panel placed on each telgraph pole and street light and have the electricity go into the grid ...

may puttock 02/08/10 12:01 PM Report Abuse

China's Solar Industry Poised to Leave U.S. in the Dust


by WattHead Guest on 08/28/2009 13:57


http://theenergycollective.com/TheEnergyCollective/46972

may puttock 02/08/10 12:04 PM Report Abuse

New York Times

China Racing Ahead of U.S. in the Drive to Go Solar



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Postby ecoecofil on Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:34 pm
New York Times

China Racing Ahead of U.S. in the Drive to Go Solar

Suntech, China’s biggest solar panel maker, has reduced the price of panels sold in America to build market share.

Published: August 24, 2009

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/business/energy-environment/25solar.html

may puttock 02/08/10 12:08 PM Report Abuse

China Aims to "Leapfrog" U.S. in Clean Energy Race


by WattHead Guest on 08/18/2009 18:06


http://theenergycollective.com/TheEnergyCollective/46474

Dave 02/08/10 12:10 PM Report Abuse

RE: solar panels

Suntech is this now in another name a ASX listed company =?

may puttock 02/08/10 12:14 PM Report Abuse

Dave,

Heres a Idea .. how about solar panel placed on each telgraph pole and street light and have the electricity go into the grid ...

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That is interesting because the technology is up and running in all the National Parks etc. You see them every where now. Very small panels, but its the quantity that counts on every street light post.

Seems, like a good idea.

Apart from the cost of making the panel and re-installing every 20 years, but it would provide jobs and quite a lot of power in that time.

*****

Dave 02/08/10 12:23 PM Report Abuse

Hi May ...

yes also the company that installs or supliers the solar panel i think has its own warranty on repairs for agrreed time .. eg 5 yr parts and faults

i hope Greg reads all the ideas in here ...=?


some feed back from him would also be good

Andrew Carter 03/08/10 06:49 PM Report Abuse

My belief is that we and the rest of the western world are approaching CO2 emissions in the wrong way. By charging for emissions at the source we will simply export much of the emissions to the developing world. Instead we should be charging for emissions at final point of consumption. Exported products should be able to claim back the charges for emissions and the Australian consumer should be charged for the emissions produced in any imports from overseas.
The total costs for the Emissions added tax should be taken off the GST costs to balance the total costs but drive a preference for low emission products and services at the point of most consumption. I.e the western world.

Andrew Carter 03/08/10 07:08 PM Report Abuse

In my opinion denying the likelihood of man made climate warming is both politically foolish and taking an extreme risk the environment. The question we must ask ourselves is. "If climate change is real, what is the worst case scenario" therefore what am I prepared to spend to insure against this outcome.

We all go through this process every time we take out insurance. I for one expect to live to 100 but still think it is worthwhile taking out life insurance.
We must do something effective about global warming because the cost of not doing it could be catastrophic.
Our obligation is to do it in the most financially responsible way possible

Geoff Brown 03/08/10 07:34 PM Report Abuse

Andrew

If you take a reasonable look at man-made CO2 emissions, what do you find?

The vital-to-life Carbon Dioxide is less than 3% of the Greenhouse Gasses. The anthropogenic (man-made) proportion is about 3% of 3% .... er infinitessimal?

Coming out of the Little Ice Age (LIA) around 1850 temperatures have been warming. However around the turn of the 20th century, there was a downturn of global average temperatures. From then to around 1945, av glob temps again rose. Then made made emissions took off - factories, more cars, air-conditioners etc etc. What happened to temperatures?

They plummeted! Google Time and Newsweek - Ice Age.

So, man-made CO2 emissions from the mid forties to the mid seventies sky rocketed whilst global temperatures plummeted.

Mid seventies to mid nineties, what happened. CO2 still rose and so did temperatures. Enter the inter-GOVERNMENTAL-panel-climate change (IPCC)
Ahha, Smoking Gun!

Well, no. Science is audited by government (inter-GOVERNMENTAL-panel-climate change (IPCC)

So where are we now?

THe IPCC lead authors know that warming has ceased and, in fact is declining. So, what do they do?

HIDE THE DECLINE!

Flawed science!

Sam Scheding 07/08/10 03:11 AM Report Abuse

Excuse me Geoff Brown, I don't know where you get your information from but from what I can see most of it is false. In your first post you said that... "The IPCC has spent more than twenty years trying to prove man-made CO2 emissions are causing runaway global warming and have admitted that they have failed." however in their most recent assessment in 2007 they clearly stated that...

"- Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.
- Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations."

... You then went on to say that "Ferenc Miskolczi,(ex NASA physicist) has a peer-reviewed paper showing the saturated effect of CO2 - it can do no more warming." while it is true he does have a paper written on the subject I invite you to look at this web page that has strong evidence that refutes his research. http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ferenc_Miskolczi

In a later post you said that... "Carbon Dioxide is not pollution; it is vital to all life. Humans exhale about 1kg of CO2 daily. Anyone who believes that CO2 is a pollutant should immediately stop breathing." This argument is irrelevant because "The CO2 we exhale includes carbon that was originally taken out of the carbon dioxide in the air by plants through photosynthesis - whether you eat the plants directly or animals that eat the plants. Thus, there is a closed loop, with no net addition to the atmosphere." http://cdiac.ornl.gov/pns/faq.html

However, other anthropogenic CO2 emissions are a lot larger and do enter the atmosphere. While some CO2 is Vital-To-Life I am reminded of something my mother used to say about too much of a good thing...

Hamlet 07/08/10 10:42 PM Report Abuse

Hey, you know, "Geoff" almost rhymes with "muff".

Andrew 08/08/10 08:27 AM Report Abuse

Mysteriously all my posts have been removed. Starting with my post that was there on 20 July "A PATH TO FASTER CLIMATE CHANGE RESOLUTION THE ISSUE".
I posted the truth and economical solutions that incentivize at no cost, instead embracing care for people and care for planet. Why does the administrators of this site not want you to see this?
Those who read my comments know there was nothing profain.
Please those who read my comments, please post to confirm whether you can see a good reason the administrator should take the comments down and remove all trce of me posting here? or please indicate if you think they should put them back up?

Tik 08/08/10 09:21 PM Report Abuse

130 different species go extict in the world every day, 70% are plants...need more reason to stop talking and act?

Sin Fong Chan 08/08/10 09:43 PM Report Abuse

Tik, who have been couting, and do they do it?

may puttock 09/08/10 12:08 PM Report Abuse

This is a post I prepared for the ALP, but it is important that we remind ourselves that voting Coalition is more important than just for the economy.

How timely were my remarks on Globalization yesterday?

Well, you may not know that Bruce Grant, co-author of Gareth Evans book, AUSTRALIA'S FORIEGN RELATIONS, gets a guensey in the Faifax press today. ie This is the ALP view, front line and centre. This is the Kevin Rudd, Stephen Smith, Julia Gillard view: The crux of this article is here:------ “The cluster of global institutions such as the United Nations and its agencies do not have direct access to the world's people, who remain under the control of 200 or so national governments.”

The significance of this, is that the UN Rights cabal want to displace STATES, altogether, they want to Institute, by Treaty, Legislation and sanctions, UN Rights over everything.

-----We the people don’t want universalist, one size fits all, UN Rights displacing our responsibility to be descent people, descent human beings. We do not want to be treated as children------The more Human RIGHTS, as Legislation displaces the Individual’s personal responsibility to do the RIGHT THING, the more the community will breakdown.

Personal responsibility is at the heart of what it is to be human, it is at the source of all great Literature and Art, take that away and the creative spirit of humanity is broken, it dies. You have taken away, what it means to be human-----We cannot let this happen.

------We must fight against these universalist and Absolutist bodies like the UN. We must fight against hollow people like Kevin Rudd et al. We have been fighting the simple, one size fits all mentality, throughout the whole 20th Century. We fought off communism and we must continue the fight. The Absolutist tendencies, of Communism are alive and well in the new UN inspired Rights Bodies.



http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/turning-our-backs-on-the-world-20100808-11q5z.html

Sin Fong Chan 09/08/10 03:54 PM Report Abuse

Are we really serious about the environment as how we should know it, or the mumbo-jumbo political environment?

Think local before we can think global!

Amelia H, Adelaide 09/08/10 05:58 PM Report Abuse

All this talk of harvesting water is great and trying to find it elsewhere, but what about longterm storage? Where are the policies to help build new city reservoirs for the growing populations? For example when was the last reservoir built in Adelaide? I haven't heard of a new one in my lifetime (mind you I'm only 20). What about helping state governments deal with their water issues by giving them the capasity to hold more water for the long term, say for when the next drought comes along. Our population is growing, but is our infrastructure (even the fundamental things like water storage per capita) increasing along with it?

Richard Topham 10/08/10 12:17 PM Report Abuse

We need to distinguish between climate warming (quite probable) and man's role in causing it (probably quite small).

No matter: cleaning up the environment would be a good thing.

Similarly we need to distinguish between a carbon tax (collected by the government) and a carbon price (a market signal).

may puttock 10/08/10 04:55 PM Report Abuse

Sam Sheding,

You quote:

research. http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ferenc_Miskolczi

Real Climate is one of the websites devoted to promoting Anthropogenic Climate change with hedgefund funding ie it is fostered by the financial interests who want carbon trading.

These matters boil down to whether people are propenents of the Carbon trading taxation and derivative trading scenario. It cuts many ways of course.

It maybe that events unfolding will in fact put this whole AGW scenario into its true context. It is a political move associated with the Brandt Commission into Modernising and developing the Third World, there have been many many subsequent endeavours, The Brundlant Commission, The Club of Rome and finally the UN Earth Commission to persuade people by using environmental spin.

Harry 11/08/10 11:59 AM Report Abuse

Is Liberal going to save the Murray River? I am going to vote for Liberal.

james 11/08/10 12:03 PM Report Abuse

Is liberal going to stop climate change

hugo 11/08/10 12:06 PM Report Abuse

hi hows it going how was your holiday

Andrew Carter 11/08/10 12:28 PM Report Abuse

Geoff,
you must be reading a different IPCC report to me. If you choose to selectively look at a minor part of the report then you can support your own bias. If you look at the entire report anyone who is not completely biased is likely to be convinced that global warming is real and is man made.
like all science we are always looking for more evidence to change our conclusions and improve accuracy. So far the evidence is just increasing not decreasing.

NessB 11/08/10 07:03 PM Report Abuse

A huge thumbs up for actually recognizing (unlike labor) that a carbon tax will just hurt those with the least to give. I like the fact the liberals care about the elderly and those that need help to buy solar, and that the subsidies are higher to put REAL action in place, not just charge more in the hopes it will slow carbon use.
I am also so happy to see that there is a plan for saving water, and the more water tanks subsidized in the home, the better.
Good work libs, you have my vote!

NessB 11/08/10 07:10 PM Report Abuse

and May Puttock, your bang on and I hope people are listening!

I can't believe we can be told we have to import new zealand apples by the global community when there is such a high threat to our industry from fire blight that has bigger ramifications for Australia if it spreads here.. then what for our quarantine in general??? Or the fact the UNHCR has been caught out as not caring if people get recognised refugee status when they are not genuine, they said, "we don't check up for accuracy and don't care what happens after they are granted status: "four corners interview with UNHCR" this, after a people smuggler was caught on film telling people the five criteria they had to tell UNHCR to get refugee status. So unfair to true refugee's!!

may puttock 13/08/10 02:11 AM Report Abuse

As Mahatma Gandhi told us, “first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/12/target-monckton/#more-23365

Sam Scheding 13/08/10 06:42 PM Report Abuse

May Puttock,

Thanks for your comment about Real Climate, I had no idea of the biases of the site, as far as I knew it is a faction of Wikipedia. In future I will check my sources more thoroughly. However, I would like to point out that that site was a minor point of my argument and that their is still a fair amount of evidence to suggest Ferenc Miskolczi may not be correct in his conclusions.

PS. I think Andrew Carter and I would like to hear from Geoff again....

Matt 23/08/10 07:26 PM Report Abuse

The irony about you guys is that you call the Greens "loonies" and so forth, yet the Coalition is a party full of religious nutcases and climate-change deniers. I am sorry, but you guys are the only loonies in town. You all need to take a good look at yourselves, you're a party solely for the benefit of big business and redneck conservative cave-men values. You could have been smart and went on with Turnball, who for my liking, makes a lot more sense and could have perhaps re-installed some respect in the party...BUT NO lets get a divisive religious nut instead!

Sin Fong Chan 23/08/10 10:51 PM Report Abuse

NO means NO. Human's activities do contribute towards warming, including our daily active movements and breathing, but that is nothing compared with the billions of joules of heat energy "poured" in from the Sun. Are we going to stop the Sun from shining or imposing a hydrogen tax on the sun for combusting its hydrogen gas and emitting the intense heat?

Be more intuitive, and start thinking about cooling the Earth rather than just slowing down the warming process.

If one assumes that there is a supreme being, than it is logical to think that the melting of the ice is to dilute the salinity of the sea water so that marine lives can survive in an optimal environment to provide rich food source for the humans. The melting ice also helps to cool down the temperature of the oceans which have been absorbing the Sun energy since the birth of the planet Earth!

Global warming or climate change as most people are referring to it, is a sign for us to take heed to combat the continuous injection of solar energy - use it or we shall be burnt to death one day!
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George Schwartz 03/09/10 03:29 PM Report Abuse

Here's a quote from an interesting article:

What does the best evidence now tell us? That man-made global warming is a mere hypothesis that has been inflated by both exaggeration and downright malfeasance, fueled by the awarding of fat grants and salaries to any scientist who'll produce the "right" results.

The warming "scientific" community, the Climategate emails reveal, is a tight clique of like-minded scientists and bureaucrats who give each other jobs, publish each other's papers -- and conspire to shut out any point of view that threatens to derail their gravy train.

Such behavior is perhaps to be expected from politicians and government functionaries. From scientists, it's a travesty.

In the end, grievous harm will have been done not just to individual scientists' reputations, but to the once-sterling reputation of science itself. For that, we will all suffer.

Matt Patterson is editor of Green Watch, a publication of the Capital Research Center .



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/meltdown_of_the_climate_consensus_G0kWdclUvwhVr6DYH6A4uJ#ixzz0yROPcNRS

Wildfly 08/09/10 10:11 PM Report Abuse

Now is the time to test out this new parliament.
If the Coalition put forward their superior climate change policy (which if the Greens and Independents should support to have any credibility) it has the potential to head off the ridiculous impost that Labor intends to inflict on the country.
Positive action such as mass planting of trees can be pushed as good for CO2 levels as well as numerous other benefits, such as Australian endangered species habitat.
The real benefit though, will be that when Labor finally puts forward a Carbon Tax it can be argued that they should add to an active strategy and not burden the taxpayer with unproven measures.

Ricas 19/09/10 03:33 PM Report Abuse

It is a political reality that the world is adopting the precautionary principal on this issue. While I reject the mcarthyism directed towards those Who reject this view, from a political and governance perspective we need to ensure we take the right decisions within this environment. The coalition must engage constructively within this debate. The best way for the Liberals to engage in the new parliament is to engage intelligently and consistently propose better alternatives and amendments. The way forward is to get in front of labor on each issue. To do so the party must engage with the community and business positively and more promptly than labor. In the new parliament it will be possible to govern from opposition if you are proactive and positive.

Mervyn Jacobi 18/11/10 07:18 AM Report Abuse

Remarks by fanatics are never very helpful to either side, sometimes remarks are made by fanatics that cause more harm to the intended party intended to benefit, and gives an open to the opposition. Tell the trurth if you know it, otherwise just don't show your ignorance, you can do too much damage to who you are trying to help.

Jayvee 18/11/10 07:41 AM Report Abuse

Please Please Please. Don't turn your back on commonsense for the sake of Green support. Build a dam in North West NSW. It will provide enough water for the entire Murray Basin. Farmers, conservationists, everyone wins. Give the Broadband roll out a flick and you have most of the money immediately.
For all those who have a brain please become a friend of the Disempower the Greens Party page of facebook. Better still submit something for discussion.

SinFong Chan 18/11/10 10:29 AM Report Abuse

I accidentally clicked on the incorrect link and unsubscribed from comment notification. Please re-subscribe me. Thanks

Mervy Jacobi 19/11/10 08:49 AM Report Abuse

Most of our rain came from the cooling affect of the forests that existed, the destruction of these forests and replacement with tin roofs, ploughed ground, shopping centres have all contributed to the lack of rain. However, I bettcha that no politicial party that we know, will have the intelligence or the integrity to order a stay on any developement to ensure our rainfall does not get worse.

Sin Fong Chan 19/11/10 02:27 PM Report Abuse

Many new residential blocks are small, and the house, drive way and garage occupy most of the land, leaving very little room for plants. Although earlier subdivided land sizes are bigger, many people have turned the non build-up areas into rock gardens or concreted outdoor area due to busy life style. Rain is not been absorded, and goes down to the drain literally. With less plants, absorption of carbon dioxide is reduced, and in the meantime, emission of oxygen is reduced as well.

Ryan H 03/12/10 04:54 PM Report Abuse

The liberal partys environmental policy is a joke. There is no clear way moving forward. But I what more could you expect when the leader of this rediculous party is a climate change sceptic. You;'d have to be a fool to vote liberal.

Tim Brennan 05/01/11 08:49 PM Report Abuse

I would like to make a few comments on environmental issues. Firstly and I think this is very very important. I think it would help in the argument about the great big new tax on everything or more commonly referred to as the Labor party's carbon price.

There is a quote on the classic English comedy show, Yes Prime Minister. Sir Humphrey is talking to Sir Arnold about one of the Prime Ministers new policies. Sir Arnold says " This is classic politicians logic:- All Dogs have four legs! My CAT has four legs, therefore my cat is a dog! "we must be SEEN to do something, this is something; so we must do it!"

Every time I hear the government talk about the carbon price or climate change, I am reminded of that scene on Yes Prime Minister.

My idea is to develop a real positive policy to climate change. The liberal party policy of "real action" is being allowed to be focused on the money being paid to the polluters. Not enough swinging voters know about what action the Liberal party will take. No one knew about the dams money until after the floods hit.

The Goverment is spending $40b. so we can download videos faster, Yet there are no plans that I know of to plan for climate change if it exists. Rather then arguing about taxes and emission reduction, take the debate to the next level. Making Highways flood proof. Make the rail flood proof. If we are going to have effects from the climate, then we should make plans to deal with those changes, rather then trying to get a 5% emissions reduction.

Highlight the fact that the government/green alliance have no environmental plan other then introducing a new tax. The best way to highlight this, is to introduce new policies. Introduce policies and let the left wing media find the holes in the green alliance.

Mervyn Jacobi 25/01/11 10:20 AM Report Abuse

I guess that our prayers have been answered with a vengence, the drought is finished for now, do we work to prepare for a drought, or a flood, or both. There has been plenty of water to cater for a drought if we find a suitable place to store it, may i suggest those open cut mines which , inreallity, the reciprocal imports we get from them, is those goods we had been manufacturing in Australia previoucly, and are now are being distroyed.

peter 27/02/11 11:08 AM Report Abuse

wow you don't need to fight just get lord-monckton here and have him put his side take a quick look and if your still a believer there is no hope

peter 27/02/11 11:10 AM Report Abuse

www.prisonplanet.com/lord-monckton-shut-down-the-un-arrest-the-warmist-criminals.html
have a look and make up your own mind

peter 27/02/11 11:14 AM Report Abuse

the whole carbon thing is a lie and gillard is a liar, so if this goes ahead she should be charge along side al gore for defrauding the people of the world

Sin Fong Chan 09/03/11 12:14 PM Report Abuse

Posted to The Age on 3/3/2011 at 12:01 PM
Commenting on “Dumped Target 155 Water Scheme was Working”
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/water-issues/dumped-target-155-water-scheme-was-working-20110302-1bewe.html?comments=62#comments

My comment cannot not be repeated here due to certain criteria imposed, such as removing "profanites" which I cannot identified.

Sin Fong Chan 09/03/11 12:22 PM Report Abuse

Posted to The Australian (3/3/2011) on 3/3/2011 at 1:21 AM
Commenting on “PM Julia Gillard under attack over carbon copy”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/pm-julia-gillard-under-attack-over-carbon-copy/story-fn59niix-1226014993171

Posted to Herald Sun on (3/3/2011) 3/3/2011 at 1:36 AM
Commenting on “Carbon tax slug double whammy”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/tax-slug-double-whammy/comments-e6frf7l6-1226015019744

Labor Government, led by Julia Gillard MUST BE sacked, the soon the better, for its incompetence in governing Australia. The many Labor's political blunders costing Australia billions of dollars could be used to provide more equitable funding to hospital, education and social services.

Julia Gillard came to power by lying about NO carbon tax, and now she plagiarises Rudd's carbon policy and claims it her own. She should resign like the German minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg who did so after admitting that he plagiarised his PhD dissertation.

How many people realise that having Smart meters is not a very smart move for employment? Usages recorded by Smart meters can be read remotely, which means meter readers will be made redundant.

Can we trust her to spend the carbon tax money for the right reason, or just for her indulgence in funding projects to buy votes? If she could so mercilessly back-stab Kevin Rudd, who else can't she back-stab to cement herself to the throne of Prime Ministership?

peter 11/03/11 10:14 PM Report Abuse

please google "roy spencer" I belive this will make a big difference

peter 18/03/11 03:08 PM Report Abuse

please dont be the government to sell the australian people out ,,,, stop this scam tax now ,,,NO CARBON PRICING and NO CARBON TAX ,,, please tell us that every dollar raised from your proposed tax would stay in the hands of the Australian people and that this proposed tax will not make australia uncompetitive in this global market and no australian family will suffer from this scam proposed tax

MICH DUNLOP 19/03/11 05:14 PM Report Abuse

WND Exclusive HEAT OF THE MOMENT
'Green' price tag: $700 trillion to drop Earth's temp 1 degree
Even EPA admits cost of regulating greenhouse gases 'absurd'
Posted: March 14, 2011
8:19 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2011 WorldNetDaily

Read more: 'Green' price tag: $700 trillion to drop Earth's temp 1 degree http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=275109#ixzz1H1gtD9Ej

Kududine 21/03/11 01:45 PM Report Abuse

WE AGREE 100% WITH THE SCIENCE-AND THE SCIENCE SAYS THAT WHATEVER AUSTRALIA DOES WILL HAVE NEGLIGIBLE EFFECT ON THE CLIMATE. Do we want to destroy our standard of living for that?

Please- will someone get Tony Abbott to say this punchy line...

Sin Fong Chan 29/03/11 04:59 PM Report Abuse

Posted to Facebook Global Warming / Climate Change Group on 29/3/2011 at 4:42 PM
email to MTR1377 Bill Crew on climate change / carbon tax discussion
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=321&uid=183192705051720#!/topic.php?uid=183192705051720&topic=321

I emailed the following to a radio host Rev Bill Crew at MTR1377 on Sunday 27/3/2011. The content has been slightly edited to remove ambiguity and grammatical mistakes.

Bill, you are very arrogant, but I have to agree that many listeners probably do come from outer space!

Academics like a professor, including your guess, can be very one track mind, and it is important to look at global warming / climate change holistically.

I don't deny climate change and global warming. Climate change happens every day, and global warming is real from day one - just refer to the daily temperature fluctuation!

Each year 4 quintillion Joules (4 x 10 to the power of 18 Joules) of solar energy reaches the Earth, but only 300 trillion Joules (3 x 10 to the power 14 Joules) are consumed by the world's population. There is plenty of energy left to warm the Earth.

Do we really expect the planet to get cooled? If so, what cools it and how? Global warming is here to stay, unless human race starts working on a reversal process in cooling the earth, Kyoto Protocol and ETS are just band aid approaches.

Will carbon tax help to cool the Earth? No way, it only makes the temperature of a lot of Australians including myself goes up and get really heated up which leads to further global warming, ha-ha!

Most scientists only concern about carbon dioxide as a green house gas keeping the Earth temperature warm. If carbon dioxide is increasing in the atmosphere, what gases are being replaced? One carbon atom needs two oxygen atoms to form carbon dioxide. Assuming the amount of gases in the atmosphere remain unchanged, oxygen on Earth will diminish. What's the repercussion with reduced amount of oxygen in the atmosphere, and in the meantime, the population is on the increase?

Does increase in carbon dioxide affect the atmospheric pressure? How will increase/decrease in atmospheric pressure affect the weather, living things, including human beings on Earth?

Can you still remember the ozone hole? No one is talking about it now. There was no tax on CFC production, but there was a blanket ban on production and usage of CFC. Are all living life form now safer from cancer causing UV ray?

Look up beyond the upper atmospheres and see how air exchanges can be improved. It’s time, Al Gore, to return your Nobel Prize, and your guess professor read more Chemistry and Physics books rather than just on climate reference material!

Sin Fong Chan 29/03/11 05:11 PM Report Abuse

Oops, the above Facebook link should be

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=323&uid=183192705051720#!/topic.php?uid=183192705051720&topic=323

Sin Fong Chan 03/04/11 02:22 AM Report Abuse

On Saturday, 2 April 2011, many balloons were released at St Kilda to mark the autism week. This also marks the death of many defenseless animals and marine lives. Why?

These people are no different from many who release hundreds of balloons in "celebrating life" (for the deceased) events at funerals.

It is important to understand that once the helium gas has escaped from the balloons, they will fall into the rivers, streams, paddocks, etc. and pollute the environment and suffocate birds, small animals and marine lives.

Stop releasing balloons, stop pollution NOW!

More blogs are available. Following the link
http://sinfongchanclimatechange.blogspot.com/2011/04/stop-releasing-balloons-stop-killing.html

Mervyn Jacobi 13/04/11 10:33 AM Report Abuse

Greg, you won't do anything about the Murray- Darling, your party, like the Labor party, have always sprouting about what you will do, There was a badge which would suit you politicians, it is called a willdoit badge, for people who are always saying I will do it, and they never do it. Your party could have done it when they were in power, why didn't they. It is ironic that apart from Kevin Rudd and Paul Keating, the rest of the Prime Ministers and treasurers have been lawyers, and they have all been the biggest lot of whimps possible. We had the best treasurers and prime ministers in Ben Chifley and Harold Holt, Unlike the present mob, they were for our farming and manufacturing industries, the ones since 1971, have been destroying both the farming and our manufacturing as well as small business. I won't give either labor or the liberal parties a vote next election, probably just a nasty comment on the ballot paper. The party senate members are only prostitutes, they do not aim to look after their state or territory, only their party, they are useless, only capable of pulling their party out of being defeated or causing the governments decision to be passed when it should not have. Our governments are a disgrace to us, the people.

Dr Mark Allinson 19/05/11 08:07 AM Report Abuse

Anyone with average intelligence and an hour on the internet can discover to their full satisfaction that the theory of man-made climate change is complete nonsense. It is a theory created and supported by anti-capitalist Marxists, some of whom happen to be well-funded "scientists", and to find such a level of commitment this theory in the Liberal Party is truly discouraging.

And it is especially discouraging to see a strong advocate of this de facto wealth-re-distribution scheme holding such high office as Malcolm Turnbull. If the Liberal Party is to be a mere pale shadow of the social-engineering socialists, I would prefer to vote informally.

jeremy e 19/05/11 08:50 AM Report Abuse

Sack Turnbull.

Sin Fong Chan 19/05/11 11:13 AM Report Abuse

Posted to The Australian (16/5/2011) on 16/5/2011 at 6:50 AM
Commenting on “Carbon tax to hurt more than ETS, warns energy sector”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/carbon-tax-to-hurt-more-than-ets-warns-energy-sector/story-fn59niix-1226056396835

It is sad that so much time and effort have been spent in talking about ETS and carbon tax that nothing really constructive has been done in nation building. Since Kevin Rudd came to power, one policy after another failed miserably leading to huge financial losses. So what he rectified the Kyoto Protocol, did other countries pay much attention to it? Let's look at Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs; many countries are experiencing natural disasters, and they really want to keep their people fed, and housed. Australia is facing the same problem, and billions of dollars are needed to restore the many lives to normality.

Many large Tsunamis happened in Japan long before Industrial Revolution. Pompeii was destroyed by fire and Atlantis sunk to the bottom of the ocean. These destructions were inevitable because human beings just cannot tame our planet Earth and Mother Nature. Carbon tax is no panacea, and Julia Gillard is no saviour.

This has been published, along with many thought provoking climate change / environment articles, at my blog site
http://sinfongchanenvironment.blogspot.com/
http://sinfongchanclimatechange.blogspot.com/

Paul 19/05/11 04:09 PM Report Abuse

Looks like this non-sensical policy has been exposed once and for all

Good one Malcolm

Given lack of detail in attached we can only guess it is a sham in any case

As malcolm seems to have put it..
- allow poluters to keep poluting
- plant a few trees to claim offsetting carbon credits.. (assuming there will every be such a thing under the coalition - unlike rest of world)
- pull the pin when is suits the party

What a Joke

Sin Fong Chan 19/05/11 11:18 PM Report Abuse

Posted to Herald Sun (19/5/2011) on 19/5/2011 at 10:49 PM
Commenting on “Malcolm Turnbull admits that he still wants to lead the Coalition”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/labor-leaps-on-malcolm-turnbull-attack-on-coalition-carbon-plan/story-e6frf7jo-1226058861294

Carbon tax does not do anything to cool the Earth. It only makes the temperature of hardworking Australians go up to warm the Earth further.

Commonsense tells us that to counteract any warming, we need cooling or heat absorption. Swapping coal-fired power generation plants with solar or wind-driven ones only slows down the warming process negligibly, because the carbon dioxide discharge is so small percentage wise. Every year, bush fires and volcanic eruptions release more greenhouse pollutants than existing power plants.

It is so obvious that the Sun energy poured onto our planet everyday is not used up, and the excess is causing the warming of the atmosphere and the oceans.

Implementing carbon tax is going set up an economic chain reaction, more disastrous than any nuclear explosion. Besides increase in domestic electricity bills, all industries relying on electricity will be affected, and the cost will be passed on to the consumers.

Unfortunately carbon storage is not a feasible solution. A plausible answer is to grow high carbohydrate plants which acts as a carbon sink and helps solve starvation. Anyone supporting Gillard, her goons, and Turnbull are wearing blinkers.

This has been published, along with many thought provoking climate change / environment articles, at my blog site
http://sinfongchanenvironment.blogspot.com/
http://sinfongchanclimatechange.blogspot.com/

Sin Fong Chan 23/05/11 02:47 PM Report Abuse

Posted to Herald Sun (23/5/2011) on 23/5/2011 at 2:34 PM
Commenting on “Malcolm Turnbull admits that he still wants to lead the Coalition”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/labor-leaps-on-malcolm-turnbull-attack-on-coalition-carbon-plan/story-e6frf7jo-1226058861294

This is a political suicide for Malcolm Turnbull for the so-called telling the truth. The truth is in the Australia political system, if the major Party cannot win an election, that Party will not be able to form the Government on its own, or like the Labor, will have to suck up to the Greens in order to get things done.

Voters are looking for and looking up to a strong united and cohesive party, whether as the government or opposition. Turnbull's arrogance will backfire and may cause Liberal's chance to win the next election. Tony Abbott is riding high at the moment, especially on carbon tax issue. If Malcolm Turnbull can keep his trap shut for the time being, despite his different stance, Liberal can win government rather comfortably the next round, probably sooner than 2 years according to my prediction.

If he continues to behave like a spoilt brat, Tony Abbott will have no choice but to dump him from the Shadow Ministry in the name of party sustainability.

Labor carbon policies are impractical and will turn Australia into one of the most expensive and unaffordable country to live in. It is pointless to have the cleanest planet if no one can enjoy it, or afford to enjoy it!

This has been published, along with many thought provoking climate change / environment articles, at my blog site
http://SinFongChanPolitics.blogspot.com/
http://SinFongChanNewspapers.blogspot.com/
http://SinFongChanClimateChange.blogspot.com/

Gav 30/05/11 10:46 PM Report Abuse

Libs do your own add. Make it low budget and use real people!

Suzen 01/06/11 09:02 AM Report Abuse

Hopefully those relying on Murray-Darling water for irrigation have learned from the droughts and floods. It's time to choose smart agricultural practices that take into account these Australian extreme climatic variations. With the Raw Food and Super Foods (Quinoa, Raw Cacao Açai, Goji Berries etc) gaining popularity all over the world this could be the way to farm smarter not harder. Though my knowledge is very limited I wonder if the profit per ton on cotton, rice & wheat mean large volumes need to be produced. If there were a more profitable product that was possible perhaps THIS would provide sustainability to both the agricultural AND environmental sectors.

Sin Fong Chan 03/06/11 02:38 PM Report Abuse

The predictive economic models are questionable for modern day use. The yesteryear world was “smaller” and separated by barriers, and things moved more slowly. Debt borrowing was not as prevalent then.

It is evident that when US sneezes, the world catches a cold, and Australia stock market becomes infected with pneumonia – it was hit hard by the loss of $33 billion in a day on 2 June 2011.

The head of Treasury, Dr Martin Parkinson, told the senate hearing that, "Mining is 8 per cent of gross domestic product," and continued to say "It's a very important 8 per cent, but there's a very important 92 per cent of GDP which is out there which for some reason we have stopped talking about." I would argue that this 8 per cent is far more important than the rest of 92 per cent, because without this 8 per cent, the rest of domestic consumption will stall.

Mining industry is a primary industry, and so far the boom is centred in Western Australia and Queensland. Mother Nature has not been kind to Queensland, but not too cruel to spare Western Australia. If Mother Nature can do that to Australia, the supplier of natural resources, it can also do the same to our buyers. We have witnessed Mother Nature’s did not spare Japan from the destructive force of tsunami. Australian iron ore export to Japan has dropped so drastically because the Japanese car manufacturing plants are closed. Sorry if I am sinful to sound like cursing China; what if China experiences something catastrophic that Australian exports to this biggest buyer has to come to a halt?

I am a true believer that Australia’s economy is fundamentally depending on the land as a primary producer. However, we have not made full use of our gift of large land mass. We keep digging for iron ore and coal, and the rest of Australia, or those working in the service / tertiary industries, benefited from the activities.

With the carbon (dioxide) tax on large carbon emitters, which unfortunately means the coal-fired power stations, the future of coal use in Australia will be decreased. What is Australia going to do with the coal? Will it stay in the ground or sell it to countries like China or India? Coal mining billionaire tycoons have so much of their money buried underground, and so many coal miners’ mouths to feed; they cannot afford not to sell the coal overseas even at low prices. What guarantees that these countries do not pollute the world more than Australia?

Australia, with the bleeding hearts politicians and former politicians like Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, Bob Hawke, Malcolm Turnbull, Malcolm Fraser, John Hewson, is naïve to the nth degree. Australia loses export income for low coal prices, becomes an accessory to the murder of planet Earth, causes unnecessary financial stress, pain and suffering to Australian families and deprives them quiet enjoying of this lucky country.

Before mining boom, sheep and wheat kept Australia prosperous, and what a lucky country! What has Australia done to the land and water supply? Virtually nothing, and as a result, Mother Nature punished Australia and brought forth drought. Australia was unprepared, and suffered from losses of production and income.

Money from government assistance or funding does not really come from the government; it comes from taxpayers. The money just rides on the merry-go-round. Real money to fill the kitty should derive from exporting things for money to overseas.

With millions and millions of hectares of land, Australia should be the food bowl of the world, and yet, the people are too complacent, contented and relaxed, and import foods from overseas; and most disgustingly, selling off the rural land particularly the productive ones to foreigners. What this means, Australia will buy foods from overseas companies, foods that are grown in Australian soil by Australian labour, at the price controlled by foreigners. What a joke?

Out of the blue the most prosperous European country, Germany, is hit with E-coli problem, which appears to be food-borne. Only if Australia is able to supply fresh foods cheaply by utilising the farmland more productively and intuitively, this could be a golden opportunity.

Have I missed out secondary industry? No, I have not; because there are not many around to create real employment. One after another, factories are closed or sold off. The so-called Australian icons that Australians are proud of have become history. The lack of foresight and poor planning are due to the arrogance and blindness of Australians and the Australian politicians. They do not take heed from what have been happening in United States of America and United Kingdom.

Smart countries, instead of benefitting the workforce from years of precious time, hard work and money spent in R&D, they stupidly transfer the technology to the developing countries and make the population of those countries smarter at minimal costs, leaving behind a pool of technologically knowledge poor and unemployed workforce. Put it simply, how many smart countries have factories producing hi-tech equipment, digital television, computers, solar-cells, computer chips, luxurious cars, etc.?

Economy is about supply and demand, and utilising limited resources in productive matter. If resources are limited, then the only way to survive for long term is diversification. So what should Australia do?

Many policies can be changed with the stroke of a pen, despite what the politicians have been telling us. The many debates in the Parliament are no more than theatrical performances by the Government and the Opposition.

New predictive economic models need to be found. At present, RBA should NOT increase interest rate to curb the so called inflation, because there is NO real inflation but human suffering in the economy. Private consumption with borrowed money is not a true reflection of GDP growth!

Many financial advisers tell their clients not to put their eggs into one basket, and have their assets, namely shares, properties and superannuation, apportioned proportionately. Ideally, I would like to postulate the following regarding GDP contributions:

For every 1 part contribution from primary industry, there are an equal part from secondary industry and 3 parts from tertiary industry.

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Sin Fong Chan 05/06/11 02:38 AM Report Abuse

Posted to Herald Sun (5/6/2011) on 5/6/2011 at 2:20 AM
Commenting on Sea levels to rise 1.1m
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/sea-levels-to-rise-11m/story-fn7x8me2-1226069302495

If the sea water is getting more saline, then melting ice will dilute it, marine life will not be facing extinction.

If the land is getting arid, the rising water will irrigate it, deserts will become productive land.

If the underground water table is sinking, the excess water flowing inland will fill it, many high rise buildings will not face destruction.

Everything happens for a reason, and that's the beauty of nature! Climate change gives us hope and new lease of life!

Sin Fong Chan 07/06/11 08:44 PM Report Abuse

Posted to Adelaide Now (6/6/2011) on 6/6/2011 at 10:23 AM
Commenting on "Voters want election on carbon tax as poll finds a majority expect to be worse off"
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/voters-wants-election-on-carbon-tax-as-poll-finds-a-majority-expect-to-be-worse-off/story-e6frea6u-1226069714958

With or without carbon tax, just give us an election to get rid of the incompetent government. John Hewson, Bob Hawke and other "yesterday heroes" should back off the carbon tax debate.

Many economic rationalists and politicians are no more than armchair generals, and are out of touch with the hands-to-mouth real world.

Even if carbon tax does not affect significantly employment in the mining sector, the flow on effect IS damaging to other industries. An increase in cost in the mining sector will pass on to downstream and related industries, and the chain reaction is similar to an atomic explosion. Worse still, it turns into a feedback loop, increasing wages and other production costs in the industry which started the reaction.

The recent floods in various parts of Australia cost me more than 15% jump in my last month's house insurance premium renewal, making me an indirect victim of the floods. Similar situation will happen to innocent victims if the damaging carbon tax is introduced.

Sin Fong Chan 07/06/11 08:48 PM Report Abuse

Posted to Adelaide Now (6/6/2011) on 6/6/2011 at 11:50 PM
Commenting on "Voters want election on carbon tax as poll finds a majority expect to be worse off"
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/voters-wants-election-on-carbon-tax-as-poll-finds-a-majority-expect-to-be-worse-off/story-e6frea6u-1226069714958

The carbon (dioxide) emission per capita of Australia is and will always be much greater than China and India because of our small pollution. To explain this, let us look at a household of 1 and another of 5. Both need only a refrigerator to keep food fresh or a washing machine to wash clothing. The household of 5 uses the same amount of electricity for the appliances and therefore "polluting" the planet with the same amount of greenhouse gas. Now, a hall with 1 occupant or 100 occupants requires the same number of lights to be turned on for a performance; and an electrified train carrying 1 passenger or 500 passengers consumes about the same amount electricity to commute between Melbourne and Sydney.

There are times when no consumers are involved and yet the waste has to be shared by the population. A lot of power is lost in transmitting electricity from the power stations to hundreds of kilometres of nothingness before populated towns or cities. A lot of energy is required to get rid of the sewer travelling great length of pipes to filtration plant. When we talk about power and energy, we really mean electricity which operates the equipment to make these things happen.

These examples explain the concept of economy of scale and illustrate the principle of fixed and variable costs. So long if we continue to live in a cocoon and not to increase our population, Australia will always be more expensive to live in and the greenhouse gas emission will be a lot higher than more populated countries. Population of USA is about 13.7 times of Australia's, and China is 59 times of Australia's.

I hope those people argue about our excessive greenhouse emission per capita will have a better understanding and hopefully conduct more meaning debate in the future.

devimax 13/06/11 05:33 PM Report Abuse

Having a carbon tax for 20 million Australians could be spent on convincing the world's 6.7 billion others of environment issues.

Margaret 22/06/11 06:09 PM Report Abuse

I don't understand what is the big HURRY- i feel like we are been forced into a carbon tax with out being allowed to properly investigate it all. Mr. Abbott, i'm sorry we didn't get to take a poll - we all want to be heard about this. in the end it will affect each one of us and our income. the science is so confusing, both sides cancel each other out - i think there's something else behind this - its too much pressure from somewhere. Please don't give up, Mr Abbott- this PM is systematically ruining our country! Please don't let same sex marriage go through. Be strong! We are behind you.

Doug Cotton 27/06/11 08:24 PM Report Abuse

I have added more to http://climate-change-theory.com regarding heat from the Earth's core. Very interesting! See how temperatures have not risen despite higher CO2 and find out why - something you've never read before.

Derek and Sasha 04/07/11 07:09 AM Report Abuse

Lets start using the power of the people. I live in Cairns and what to start peaceful marches and meetings.People can change governments. We owe this to our country.Lets get noticed.Any ideas?

d 11/07/11 09:17 PM Report Abuse

please stop the carbon tax it is ill concieved and as we know labour dont have a good track record in implementing policies particluarly somethng of this maginitude which will effect the country and everyone in it. Do whatever it takes to stop it and if it gets in repeal it asap if and when u are voted in. Look at the long term affects of it, the strategic issues more so than short term populist issues this will win voters in the long run.

T 14/08/11 01:51 PM Report Abuse

Greg you have completely the wrong academic and work experience background for this important position - please hand over to someone who has worked as an engineer and/or scientist to assess what needs to be done with environment policy! It is like myself trying to become the chief-justice of Australia without a background in law. It is important that you show your party and followers that you know your limits and step down.

Not a labor support myself (or liberal), I find your opposite number (opposite Greg) as being much more suited.

http://www.alp.org.au/federal-government/labor-people/greg-combet/

Bill Robertson 01/09/11 08:28 PM Report Abuse

How come this government allows Australian used tyres to be sent to SE Asia to be burned in the power generators and where do the carbon credits for that go?

Sin Fong Chan 05/11/11 12:45 PM Report Abuse

Superior but expensive products do not bring home the bacon in this competitive and fast moving world. Carbon tax adds additional cost but not value to the end product or service.

Sin Fong Chan 05/11/11 12:48 PM Report Abuse

Posted to The Age (14/10/2011) on 14/10/2011 at 2:33 PM
Commenting on "Things could get bloody if Abbott abandoned carbon oath"
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/things-could-get-bloody-if-abbott-abandoned-carbon-oath-20111013-1lmzx.html

If there is no carbon tax, there won't be any extra work for rebates or financial assistance, which means no additional bungle, new departments and fat cats, less government spending on stationary, furniture, ombudsman, just plain boring.

With carbon tax, there will be more discussions and complaints on radio, ABC 7.30 Report or QandA, newspapers, letters to newspaper editors; cost more to produce goods and services, less competitive, less export income, less jobs, less disposal income, less overall tax revenue, less funds for services, less affordable to live in Australia, but we may lead the next global financial crisis!

This is not a good way to show the world that we are the leading twits!

KenCarr 06/11/11 12:01 PM Report Abuse

The economists views are like the scientists, theoretical at best and impractical to work. Market mechanisms only work when there is a market. If nobody else trades emissions then its a market of one, or worse still a way of providing aid to poor countries to limit their activity.
A green army can deliver of some projects, just like the clean up Australia day or a night of switching off the power to the city. Killing off your best advantage to try to create a market is another Green inspired utopian policy. Stop the rot now, and if we have to clean up our own patch without exporting billions of dollars to unfortunate countries who have no other ideas

Sin Fong Chan 08/11/11 10:18 PM Report Abuse

Posted to Perth Now (8/11/2011) on 8/11/2011 at 7:48 PM
Commenting on "Government sticking to $23 carbon price"
http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/business-old/government-sticking-to-23-carbon-price/story-e6frg2qu-1226188502875

Can anyone explain to me why there were Ice Ages before Man walked on this planet Earth? Why were early Man nomadic, moving from one place to another when climatic or environmental conditions became unfavourable? What caused the heavy downpour and big flood that resulted in Noah building the Ark and transporting pairs of animals to safety? Why were there frequent floods along the banks of the River Nile which left evidence of markings on the huge columns in ancient Egyptian temples? What brought about all the droughts, forest fires, cyclones and tsunamis in various parts in the World in pre-industrialisation history?

I stress the word pre-industrialisation because those were days when coal power generation plants were not around and the mode of transport was definitely not by cars run on petrol. So, what really caused the climatic changes even though there was minimal carbon (dioxide) emission? Going back further to prehistoric time, what really caused the climatic changes even though Man were not around to cause any air pollution?

Sin Fong Chan 08/11/11 11:06 PM Report Abuse

Using carbon tax to curb carbon emission is no difference from ghost busting, or trying to find the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. It's a myth!

Someone who cares. 05/12/11 07:33 AM Report Abuse

The Environment is the bottom line.

Without a healthy environment you HAVE NO FUNCTIONING ECONOMY.

your proposed policies turn Australia into a quarry.

What a joke.

Didley 08/12/11 02:42 AM Report Abuse

The Direct Action Plan needs to be scrapped along with the Carbon (dioxide) tax.
Whilst Direct Action is obviously better than Labor's attempt, it is still a waste of money. Why is it necessary to pander to the green gravy train?
The science behind the requirement to lower emissions by 5% is flawed, misleading, and needs to be addressed. There are 1000's of scientists that question the theory of anthropogenic globing warming (or climate change, or climate disruption). The IPCC statement for policy makers on the other hand is written by a handful of people with an agenda. The science is not settled. Science is never settled. The current government is being taken for a ride by the unelected green groups around the world. These green groups are very vocal and very powerful. It is not in Australia's interest to be dictated to by these organisations.
Scrap the policy. Stand up to the vocal minority. The majority now see through this scam.

Ben 14/12/11 04:41 AM Report Abuse

Look at environmental infrastructure bonds, or tax break incentives for investments into Australia.

Rowan 06/01/12 12:24 AM Report Abuse

Have you looked at energy from plasma technology. Looks interesting.